Are The USA, Russia, and China the new Axis of Evil?

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Seems like we're certainly the most hated countries in the world right now.

No.

They're three nations with largely diverging interests.

The US has poor relations and a deep distrust of the other two.

Russia has a deep distrust of both. China is the biggest threat to Russia, even if they appear friendly at the moment.

China benefited from technology gained from both Russian and western firms, but they're now more advanced than Russia in most fields, so being able to borrow Russia's homework isn't as useful to them anymore. Population decline in Russia's Far East might make that an appealing conquest to China, likely using similar methods that Russia has employed when trying to take territory from neighbours (political destabilization followed by intervention "to protect our language speakers" in whatever county or state).

Then again, it's not like Iraq, Iran and North Korea were really allied in any sense. It didn't make sense to refer to them as an axis either.

Time will tell, but you also need to think of most of the world's economies are deeply integrated with the US economic system. And now, think of the closest thing to an alternative to that economic system, BRICS, with the R standing for Russia and the C for China.

So basically you'd need the world to do a massive Chinese fire drill with two of the major powers behind BRICS jumping ship to align themselves with the US, meanwhile pretty much the rest of the developed world piles into whatever replaces BRICS.

It'd be pretty much a nightmare situation for Canada and Taiwan, but it's also incredibly unlikely. The rest of the world might not always like America's hegemony and how they use it, but they do like the stability that Pax Americana provides. The US would have to f**k up pretty badly before the rest of the world would risk decoupling itself from that stability.

So far the world has only been decoupling to the extent they can without causing any severe consequences because unlike in Jenga everyone loses when that happens, but especially the US since confidence in that system is what allows the US government to spend in the manner it does. If no one will buy US debt, the US is immediately put in a bad place.

So, the TL;DR is no, for a bunch of reasons.

I think a lot of people assume that Israel gets its marching orders from the US. Does that mean that Russia will feel compelled to launch a nuclear attack on the US to punish them for what they did to Russia's close ally Iran? Arguably that's what allies do.

So we're not so much the new 'Axis of Evil' as we are the 'Hated Three'.

Nope.

Dictatorships can never be allies; that's why Hitler turned against the Soviets for instance.

Russia and Iran are as much "allies" , as ....the Nazi Germany, the Soviets and Imperial Japan were "allies" in WW2, just talks but no coordinated actions; while the Allies were really allies in every military-wise sense.

Russia would be crazy to launch a nuclear attack of the US because of Iran or because of any other nation. If they were to do that, the odds are overwhelming that they would be annihilated in our retaliation.

It is far from enough that Russia could inflict pain on us. If they were going to launch a nuclear strike against us, they would have to be absolutely sure that they would reduce or eliminate our ability to respond to the attack. There is little reason to believe that they have such a capability because of their negligence to maintain their own nuclear stockpile.

Nuclear weapons really have one purpose in today's world -- to deter a nuclear attack. They are there to make sure that the opponent knows that if they use their nuclear weapons against us, that we will retaliate and they will suffer at least as much as us, and probably far more.

except there's no axis.

the USA and Russia are a product of European colonial imperial expansion from the 18th/19th century.

China is embarking on it's own quest to expand it's imperial ambitions by directly colonising the Asia-Pacific, Africa and South America, and outmanoeuvring the west militarily and economically.

None of the three are an axis of anything but based on current trends it would be prudent for your grandkids to learn Mandarin.

Last edited by cyberdora on 14 Jun 2025, 9:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Haha the jokes on you because I wont be having kids or grandkids ever.

touche!

If Russia and Iran are dictatorships, then who isn't a dictatorship? The US gives aid and comfort to Zionism (always has) whereas Russia and Iran are staunch enemies of Zionism. Is the US just a different sort of dictatorship? Even during the Cold War, Russia was seen as a champion of social justice whereas the US was thought to be motivated mostly by corporate greed.

I guess less powerful countries like Mexico can be considered democracies, but they don't have much say in global affairs.

As far as I know, the US is still constitutionally considered a democratic regime because it has cyclic elective terms, no ruler stays forever and the people with their votes choose their leaders on every term; even if Trump is intending to be a dictator, as long he can't change the system in a way that makes him rule forever, then the country will remain democratic and his time is limited.

Maybe the US is proof that just because a country is a democracy that doesn't make them a "good" country?

Baaically even a democracy can be corrupt. Especially one that takes full advantage of the ignorance of its own voters.

I aways get the feeling that what Americans think they're voting for and what they're actually voting for are totally different things. Most of us don't even know what's actually written in the Constitution and we don't even know a lot of our own history thanks to the whitewashed history and propaganda they teach in our schools or promote on TV.

All of that is true, but three other things are relevant:

1) American democracy is backsliding, meaning America is becoming less democratic. Maintaining a democracy means constantly watching for and fighting against backsliding.
2) Most democracies are imperfect, meaning they're able to have national interests that can't be impacted democratically.
3) Even a perfect democracy can't be better than it's voting base.

Yeah, I understand your point. We've aways been a flawed democracy but things really are just getting worse.

I figured out just how bad things are getting here when the last time I was in a mental hospital one of the STAFF started rambling about the flat earth conspiracy nonsense at me. All I could do was think to myself "Why isnt this guy a patient in here?"

But of course I live in the part of the US where mental health care ranks as some of the lowest in the whole country. Still despite how manic I was at the time even I could tell something was off after that.

The inmates are running the asylum, but literally.

Indeed And you know it's depressing when you're diagnosed with a very real "mental illness" yet so many people you think of as saner than yourself fall for the Trumpism cult. It's a lonely and confusing feeling haha