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Yesterday, 3:36 am

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Regarding the second article, I have read this one before. Moses Ingram responded to several racist social media posts by calling all stars wars fans "weird", why do that?? I'm not that weird?

I am all for having Moses's back! dox these racist little s**ts, publish their names and addresses. If you want to cure racism shine a light and publish names and addresses.



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Yesterday, 8:28 am

The article from the journal I cited wasn’t so much about making generalizations as providing results from a study. It demonstrates that sexist and racist attitudes played a role in how some fans viewed specific characters. I found an article which talks about it a bit more:

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Star Wars fans with sexist and racist attitudes tend to have a greater dislike of the diverse characters from the most recent trilogy of films. That's according to a new study, published in Psychology of Popular Media, which suggests that much of the criticism of these characters might stem from viewers' own prejudices.

Compared to the original Star Wars trilogy, the newer films have a far more diverse cast. Finn, played by British-Nigerian actor John Boyega, and Rose Tico, played by Vietnamese-American actor Kelly Marie Tran, have been standout stars of the trilogy. Similarly, Rey, played by White British actor Daisy Ridley, is portrayed as strong and confident; she is never treated as a sexual object, unlike female characters from previous films.

While many fans have welcomed such changes in the Star Wars universe, others have found it more challenging to accept the new characters. Some detractors have claimed that they simply don't like how the characters are written. But others have directed racist and sexist comments towards the cast and crew, suggesting that at least some of the hostility towards these characters is informed by pre-existing biases.

To determine whether this is the case, Stephen Reysen at Texas A&M University-Commerce and colleagues recruited self-defined Star Wars fans from Star Wars-related websites and subreddits. First, participants indicated how much they agreed with various statements capturing both 'benevolent' sexism (e.g. "a good woman should be put on a pedestal") and 'hostile' sexism (e.g. "women are too easily offended"). Next, they indicated how much they agreed with statements tapping into racist attitudes, such as "racial discrimination is no longer a problem" or "racial minorities are responsible for racial tension".

Participants then rated how much they liked six Star Wars characters: three White characters from the older films (Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Padme Amidala) and three from the newer films (the aforementioned Finn, Rey, and Rose Tico) who have been the target of backlash on social media.

The results showed that stronger sexist and racist attitudes were associated with greater dislike of the new characters. Those who rated higher on hostile sexism specifically, and those who showed higher levels of racist attitudes showed a greater dislike of Finn, Rey and Rose.

Interestingly, these attitudes were also associated with a greater dislike of Leia, though to a lesser degree. The team suggests that her role in the original trilogy played more closely into gender stereotypes, where she was portrayed as a "damsel-in-distress, romantic love interest, and secondary to her male counterparts". However, in the more recent films, she is given more agency and power, which might cause resentment in those harbouring prejudices. On the other hand, participants' racist and sexist attitudes did not relate to how much they liked Luke or Padme.

Overall, therefore, those who had pre-existing racist and sexist opinions showed a stronger dislike of female characters or those portrayed by actors of colour. It may be these prejudices, rather than any genuine dislike of the way the characters are written, that is driving at least some of the pushback towards them.

However, the design of the research limits the conclusions that can be drawn. The correlational data can't show that participants' prejudices caused them to dislike these characters, for instance, and the researchers did not explore the extent to which fans might have felt these characters to be poorly written or disliked for non-discriminatory reasons. The team also notes that people might have liked the original characters for other reasons, such as feelings of nostalgia, though this would not explain the link between prejudiced attitudes and dislike for the newer characters.

Further research could also look at how fans can combat bigotry within their fandom. In fact, the team points out that diverse representation itself may be one way to change toxic attitudes. They point to other research that suggests exposure to more diverse casts can actually reduce prejudice: for instance, one study found that people who often watched Will and Grace reported lower levels of prejudice towards gay men. Diverse casts, therefore, may actually help shift people's views.

https://www.bps.org.uk/research-digest/ ... characters

I don’t think Boyega was saying that all fans are racist. When people share their experiences about emotionally charged topics such as racism and sexism, they aren’t always going to use qualifiers. IMO, he really shouldn’t have to worry about causing offense when he’s speaking out about this topic. He’s not wrong. People are absurdly quick to take it personally and get butthurt rather than consider the real issue: racism. There’s clearly a problem, especially considering how many actors have spoken out about it and especially given how quick some are to dismiss what they have to say.
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I am all for having Moses's back! dox these racist little s**ts, publish their names and addresses. If you want to cure racism shine a light and publish names and addresses.

Curing racism isn’t that simple as I’m sure you know. It’s unlikely that doxxing would’ve done much good. Some people might’ve even liked the attention! Also, maybe her experience was sort of like when I was harassed after posting on a certain subreddit. Sure, I reported people, but if I wanted to keep on posting there, I would’ve needed to disable my chat/PM because there were too many creeps about and more kept showing up. It’s the nature of that specific subreddit.

Anyway, from the NPR article in case you didn’t read this bit:
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An issue that reaches back to the beginning

In a way, these problems trace back to the beginnings of the franchise. As I noted in my review of Obi-Wan Kenobi, Star Wars creator George Lucas has acknowledged that the Japanese film The Hidden Fortress inspired aspects of his films. The style of the Jedi Knights' clothing, their fighting style and mysticism all seem lifted from that ethos — an unfortunate example of Hollywood's tendency to appropriate Asian culture without featuring Asian actors or characters.

Because of this, and because the original films had so little space for characters of color, it has been tough for some racist fans of the franchise to see a version of Star Wars that is more inclusive without feeling it is somehow compromised. On one level, it is bizarre to think that people could object to Black, Latinx or Asian actors in a story set in a faraway galaxy including non-human characters that resemble outsize dogs and goldfish.

But quality science fiction stories are always about us humans in the time they were written, regardless of when or where they are set. So it makes sense that our current debates about tribalism, multiculturalism and equality would pop up here, too.

(Look up the definition of Group Threat Theory to see an academic explanation for how a group in the majority reacts when a smaller minority gets more power.)

Also enlightening:

Learning About Racism: A Star Wars Story - Nathaniel K. Jones, MD


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Yesterday, 5:31 pm

Anyway I support John Boyega's free speech and I get where's coming from. it's not fair that certain actors like John, Moses, Amandla, Rose and Ahmed get hate for whom they are, not their craft.

I also get its easy to react and lump the fandom into one bucket. Yes, John did say "they". I think it would be great for "real fans" to be more vocal and drown out the toxic ones.

I'm sure John will feel much better if he knew how diverse the star wars fandom really is. It's not just narrow minded American white males jumping up and down in their mother's basement or in their man-cave. He has a huge international following too. American fans aren't the centre of the universe.



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Yesterday, 6:45 pm

He’s not stupid. He likely knows much more about the fanbase than you give him credit for given the nature of his career, especially how much time he spent traveling for Star Wars during and post production as well as for fan-related events. It seems like he and his fellow actors put thought into what they shared. Thus, I wouldn’t be sure that he would feel better, especially when there’s likely more to this - more experiences - that he hasn’t shared.

Racist fans and narrow-mindedness in general are hardly limited to America, as is demonstrated by the invalidating and dismissive comments people made online from some other predominantly White countries. In various online articles that I saw, there just seemed to be a lot of reacting and whitesplaining rather than genuine attempts at listening in anything approaching an open, constructive way. Sad. I may have found that more off-putting as far as the Star Wars fandom was concerned than the criticisms raised by Boyega and others because, on top of being dismissive, it’s an impediment to progress. Obviously, not all fans felt that way! I’m just giving a visceral impression of behavior.


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He’s not stupid. He likely knows much more about the fanbase than you give him credit for given the nature of his career, especially how much time he spent traveling for Star Wars during and post production as well as for fan-related events. It seems like he and his fellow actors put thought into what they shared. Thus, I wouldn’t be sure that he would feel better, especially when there’s likely more to this - more experiences - that he hasn’t shared.

Racist fans and narrow-mindedness in general are hardly limited to America, as is demonstrated by the invalidating and dismissive comments people made online from some other predominantly White countries. In various online articles that I saw, there just seemed to be a lot of reacting and whitesplaining rather than genuine attempts at listening in anything approaching an open, constructive way. Sad. I may have found that more off-putting as far as the Star Wars fandom was concerned than the criticisms raised by Boyega and others because, on top of being dismissive, it’s an impediment to progress. Obviously, not all fans felt that way! I’m just giving a visceral impression of behavior.


^^^ Yeah this makes sense