Why Do People Refuse To Practice Social Skills?
uncommondenominator wrote:
Applied Behavioral Analysis is a whole other kettle of fish, which could fill (and probably deserves) a whole different thread, and which I would be happy to discuss, in said other thread. Suffice to say, there are indeed problems with ABA and how it's utilized, as well as with the people implementing it - but those are not the schema I am referring to.
Other thread created here. I look forward to reading your thoughts about ABA and the "social skills" that are taught via ABA and in special ed.
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uncommondenominator wrote:
VioletKnight wrote:
There are still too many people that aren't good at their jobs that really need to be. When those people are teachers them not being good at their jobs can have a major negative impact on multiple generations of people.
There are still numerous possible explanations and none can be declared with reasonable confidence either. So, yes, I am certain that our opinions regarding my skill at debating/arguing are equally subjective. I know mine is. And you don't know me well enough to properly make that kind of assessment of my skill level yet. Multiple pages as it may be, we've only had this one interaction.
There are still numerous possible explanations and none can be declared with reasonable confidence either. So, yes, I am certain that our opinions regarding my skill at debating/arguing are equally subjective. I know mine is. And you don't know me well enough to properly make that kind of assessment of my skill level yet. Multiple pages as it may be, we've only had this one interaction.
Sounds like you're being biased due to some previous teacher-trauma.
It's cool how you claim that none of the possibilities can be declared with any reasonable confidence, except for the possibility you're currently claiming with confidence. If our opinions are equally subjective, then yours should carry no more weight than mine, and everything you've said is moot, since you can't know for certain. It's also cool how nobody can know anything for certain, except you - and how I can't possibly know your skill level, but you can make declarations of mine, with certainty.
It really just feels like a smokescreen to pre-emptively undercut the possibility that some opinions might carry more weight than others, whether you agree or not. It's an easy and convenient way of declaring someone wrong, without actually having to prove them wrong - you can just hand-wave it all away with "meh, nothing is truly knowable".
You'd be surprised what someone can learn about someone else, from even a single interaction.
You're twisting words and misinterpreting yet again. The statement specifically regarding teachers was the second sentence, while the first was not. And the numerous possibilities that cannot be declared with reasonable confidence are the explanations for why I think I'm bad at debating/arguing while you that I "seem to have developed some skill at it" and my statement "There are numerous possible explanations and none can be declared with absolute certainty" was also regarding that. Neither were regarding the subjectivity of those opinions themselves. Simply put, I was talking about the reasons behind the opinions, not the opinions. I've not made any definitive declaration of your skill level, just stated that I don't think you're very skilled at debating/arguing. And that these opinions about our skill at debate/arguing are subjective.
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auntblabby wrote:
sometimes the juice just ain't worth the squeeze.
That's a metaphor that could be referring to various different things in this thread. Did you have anything specific in mind?
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VioletKnight wrote:
You're twisting words and misinterpreting yet again. The statement specifically regarding teachers was the second sentence, while the first was not. And the numerous possibilities that cannot be declared with reasonable confidence are the explanations for why I think I'm bad at debating/arguing while you that I "seem to have developed some skill at it" and my statement "There are numerous possible explanations and none can be declared with absolute certainty" was also regarding that. Neither were regarding the subjectivity of those opinions themselves. Simply put, I was talking about the reasons behind the opinions, not the opinions. I've not made any definitive declaration of your skill level, just stated that I don't think you're very skilled at debating/arguing. And that these opinions about our skill at debate/arguing are subjective.
Am I really? Or is that just your subjective opinion? Can it truly be known and declared with absolute certainty what I am or am not doing? It could be dunning-kruger or imposter syndrome, or maybe you're just not good at judging your own skill, or mine, or maybe i'm bad but you're worse, which is why I can see your skill but you can't see mine, or yours - or any of the other stuff you brought up, that could just as easily apply in ways other than how you meant it to apply. In that sense, I'm really not twisting your words, so much as applying them equally in ways you didn't, and seeing if things "break". Which is a valid and normal debate / arguing strategy. Apply a claim to other situations, and see if it still holds true, or if things fall apart.
Now, insofar as unsuccessfully convincing you of anything regarding my position, in that regard, sure, I'm not doing very well at debating or arguing. That is also not my goal or objective, so, no biggie. I can see why it might look like I am unskilled at it, if that's not really what I'm even trying to do.
Anyways, even if opinions are subjective, they can still carry weight.
Bataar wrote:
My brain is just wired backwards for social situations. Basically, I need to be able to get to know someone before talking to them. If you don't know someone, what do you talk to them about?
Sounds like a catch-22. However ...
Bataar wrote:
Also for me, when talking, the subject of the conversation is the important thing.
Do you have any hobbies, or any activities you enjoy, or any topics you especially enjoy talking about?
If so, have you ever tried to find (e.g. via Meetup.com or EventBrite) a local group or event devoted to one of those hobbies, activities, or topics?
In such groups/events you might (depending on how the group/event is organized) have opportunities to talk to people about the relevant hobby/activity/topic.
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uncommondenominator wrote:
VioletKnight wrote:
You're twisting words and misinterpreting yet again. The statement specifically regarding teachers was the second sentence, while the first was not. And the numerous possibilities that cannot be declared with reasonable confidence are the explanations for why I think I'm bad at debating/arguing while you that I "seem to have developed some skill at it" and my statement "There are numerous possible explanations and none can be declared with absolute certainty" was also regarding that. Neither were regarding the subjectivity of those opinions themselves. Simply put, I was talking about the reasons behind the opinions, not the opinions. I've not made any definitive declaration of your skill level, just stated that I don't think you're very skilled at debating/arguing. And that these opinions about our skill at debate/arguing are subjective.
Am I really? Or is that just your subjective opinion? Can it truly be known and declared with absolute certainty what I am or am not doing? It could be dunning-kruger or imposter syndrome, or maybe you're just not good at judging your own skill, or mine, or maybe i'm bad but you're worse, which is why I can see your skill but you can't see mine, or yours - or any of the other stuff you brought up, that could just as easily apply in ways other than how you meant it to apply. In that sense, I'm really not twisting your words, so much as applying them equally in ways you didn't, and seeing if things "break". Which is a valid and normal debate / arguing strategy. Apply a claim to other situations, and see if it still holds true, or if things fall apart.
Now, insofar as unsuccessfully convincing you of anything regarding my position, in that regard, sure, I'm not doing very well at debating or arguing. That is also not my goal or objective, so, no biggie. I can see why it might look like I am unskilled at it, if that's not really what I'm even trying to do.
Anyways, even if opinions are subjective, they can still carry weight.
There's a difference between twisting words and applying them to other situations. Twisting words is rephrasing them in a way that changes their meaning, which is what you're doing. And it's pretty obvious.
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