NO ASD but social ineptitude in child with NVLD - possible?

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NVLD objectively without ASD, but with social problems since childhood - possible?

I am interested if there can be a person with NVLD who genuinely does not meet ASD criteria because of too few symptomatology, but has social problems since childhood (especially since not later than from early elementary school age), starting before tenth birthday.

Is the functioning of such a person with NVLD at the level of functioning of someone with clinical ASD level 1 or even ASD level 2 in some more severe cases? Is the general impairment level of such a person with NVLD not approaching the general impairment level of even the most intelligent and communicative persons with clinical ASD level 1?

What and how large support such a person with NVLD can get, especially in USA or Canada? What about his or her adult life? Can such a person with NVLD get SSI or other more significant support, especially in adult life?

NVLD confuses me. Does it mean a learning disability that makes one non-verbal, or does it mean a learning disability that doesn't affect verbal skills?

Anyway, short answer, yes, ND people without autism can be socially impaired, even though nowhere on the internet will clarify this. It seems that a person with intellectual disabilities, or Downs syndrome, are said to be social because they may talk to anyone or may be affectionate. But if a person with autism is friendly to anyone and affectionate? It ain't mentioned, or if it is, they're still socially crap.
But I believe that intellectual disabilities and Downs can still lack the complex social skills that NTs have. They may be more naive, honest, may even miss body language, and have speech impediments and may even be unable to work or live independently and may fit in better with other people like them and be targets for bullies from NTs. These are all grey areas that people often forget about when describing these conditions. In fact a lot of people with autism can learn social skills and mask and change as they grow, while generally a lot of people with DS and LD stay the same from childhood.

I was actually like a child with Downs syndrome when I was a child - I was chatty, affectionate, naive, funny. But because I have AS, nope that doesn't count as being social.

Maestro nca,

As you were asking about differences and comparisons between the 2, I looked into NVLD in America and found following comparison table for you;

Language Development
NVLD: Typically strong
ASD Type 1: May be delayed or atypical in early years
Social Motivation
NVLD:Often wants to connect but misreads cues
ASD Type 1:May show less interest in social interaction
Restricted Interests
NVLD:Rare or mild
ASD Type 1:Often intense and focused
Repetitive Behaviors
NVLD:Not typical
ASD Type 1:Common (e.g., hand-flapping, routines)
Recognition
NVLD:Not in DSM-5
ASD Type 1:Officially recognized diagnosis

As for your query on the support expectations in US or Canada, I must unfortunately leave you hanging as I cannot speak to this. My fear is that, since there is no official recognition for it, it will be an uphill battle.

kind regards,
Kada

Dyssemia.
The very trait that impacts nonverbal cues.

And NVLD impacts nonverbal processes.
Thus how or why those with NVLD struggle socially.

It's practically a core trait of NVLD that is easily mistaken for how ASD's nonverbal cues ineptitude (from a variant of cognitive profiles) or cognitive empathy related issues appear to be (primarily in autism).

Autism alone -- not all has dyssemia. In some cases, dyssemia might not even be there at all.

But it'll always be with cases of NVLD.



In short...

While;
Low cognitive empathy = difficulty in social skills and learning it
Dyssemia = difficulty in social skills and learning it

It's just that;
Low cognitive empathy is not dyssemia and vice versa.


I think that's the key; to distinguish whether one's socialization related issues is NVLD, and not just some "autism-looking" issue nor just another "social related issue" associated with the label.

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Tamaya, kadanuumuu, Edna3362 - thanks for posting.

So dyssemia is impairment in reading or processing visual-spatial, nonverbal informations associated with social sygnals and social communication? NVLD might be considered to be developmental visual-spatial disorder (DVSD) and this visual-spatial difficulties are the cause of social problems of people with NVLD (DVSD) who do not have comorbid ASD? Does visual-spatial skills-related impairments associated with social cues can make a child with NVLD socially inept when he or she is only in preschool age or only in early elementary school age?