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02 Jan 2009, 11:40 am

I can relate similar. I have a hard time "connecting" and carrying on meaningful communication with females. They use body language and emotions more that I, and I cannot communicate these things well, as a result, most of the females I know only as mere acquaintances. We only engage in mere "hi"'s in the hallway or some other just little talk like that...nothing meaningful at all. As far as males go, well, I relate and communicate much easier to the men around me. They are not picky at all about eye contact and body language as much. The guys I know also share in many of the same hobbies and interests, that I have found girls rarely engage in. When it comes to guys versus girls, I end up closer to the guys in my circle of life than girls, and I can see where that can develop into homosexuality if other guys have similar communications issues, just as it would in a prison situation for men. I am however not physically attracted to guys, but physically attracted to girls, which makes for an interesting paradox, and a major contributing factor as to why I'm still a virgin at age 34.

When it comes to "choosing" homosexuality though, it seems as if homosexuality has become more of a style and a fad nowadays than just a real, physiological thing, especially in big cities. An example of this is the many guys out there who are "metrosexual". The look and act like homosexual guys, but are physiologically heterosexual, and as far as I know, probably aren't attracted to guys, being that many I know are married or have girlfriends. There are, of course, the homosexual guys out there that don't look gay at all, and would fly under the "gaydar" of even best. They don't talk with a lisp, don't follow fashion, they don't wax their hair off their bodies, etc.

The ultimate question though, his how many guys go past the metrosexual thing, to full-fledged homosexuality in both lifestyle and sexual act. One thing that may be a factor for aspies too (at least for me it is) is that although I am sexually attracted and turned on by the physical and visual appearance of a beautiful girl, I do not need to be particularly attracted to the person that gives me sexual pleasure, so that person, can in fact, be a guy, despite the lack of connection or attraction to that person in any other way, shape or form.



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02 Jan 2009, 11:47 am

slowmutant wrote:
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just as people can be driven into pedophilia (having been rejected by adults and finding out that kids are easy victims) they can for various reasons choose to be with someone of the same sex if they were not 100% straight to begin with.

allegedly, most people are more or less bisexual, and 100% gay and 100% straight are both kind of rare (at least that's what Kinsey says).


People can be driven to do some pretty awful things, but is pedophilia really one of them? I am not sure.


yes, there are pedophiles who are only attracted to kids and there are those who go for kids for the lack of other options. mind you, the second kind is usually only on the same shelf because of the legal age of consent (they usually choose young adults who are still naive but already sexually mature).


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02 Jan 2009, 12:17 pm

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02 Jan 2009, 12:29 pm

anna-banana wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
just as people can be driven into pedophilia (having been rejected by adults and finding out that kids are easy victims) they can for various reasons choose to be with someone of the same sex if they were not 100% straight to begin with.

allegedly, most people are more or less bisexual, and 100% gay and 100% straight are both kind of rare (at least that's what Kinsey says).


People can be driven to do some pretty awful things, but is pedophilia really one of them? I am not sure.


yes, there are pedophiles who are only attracted to kids and there are those who go for kids for the lack of other options. mind you, the second kind is usually only on the same shelf because of the legal age of consent (they usually choose young adults who are still naive but already sexually mature).


I think I'm with slowmutant on this one. Even if you have no other options, & regardless of how callous you might be, you're still not going to be driven to paedophilia unless you already have that proclivity. I mean, you can't just make the decision to be sexually aroused by something.



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02 Jan 2009, 12:37 pm

It's not a decision, it's something the brain simply 'does', so that you can mate. If you were alone on an island, even thought bestiality was not... you thing, you might be driven to mate with other species and/or plants.



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02 Jan 2009, 12:39 pm

^^there's been a debate here that I've been following closely about whether or not chemical castration of pedophiles should be made obligatory. I'm just saying what I've learned from it, apparently only about a half of convicted pedophiles are actual pedophiles per se, the rest can be brought back to society by therapy and learning (sic!) social skills necessary for them to meet women.

edited to add- I think there is a huge difference between being attracted to 3-year olds and being attracted to 13-year olds (f.ex Roman Polanski's case :p)


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02 Jan 2009, 2:54 pm

Krem wrote:
It's not a decision, it's something the brain simply 'does', so that you can mate. If you were alone on an island, even thought bestiality was not... you thing, you might be driven to mate with other species and/or plants.


Plants? 8O



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02 Jan 2009, 3:02 pm

Sexy roses! 8)



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02 Jan 2009, 3:04 pm

Roses of the same or opposite sex? :wink:



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02 Jan 2009, 3:18 pm

Wait I thought roses and plants were asexual... :huh:


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02 Jan 2009, 3:27 pm

Not to us :roll:



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02 Jan 2009, 3:35 pm

Well, plants can be male or female or asexual, it depends on the plant, but difficulties in human-plant mating are likely to persist no matter what.

I'd say that a major issue in this debate is a confusion over the meaning "gay". People don't choose their desires to a full extent, and a person can be labeled "gay" because of those desires, however, people do choose their actions and people can be labeled gay for those as well. So, one can say a person is not choosing to be gay by not persuing gay actions, but one can also say a person has no choice on being gay by always desiring gay actions. In any case, I think there have been cases of Christians gay in the latter sense cutting off their sexual activity to combat these tendencies.



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02 Jan 2009, 3:52 pm

..because repressing urges helps. :twisted:



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02 Jan 2009, 3:54 pm

Krem wrote:
..because repressing urges helps. :twisted:

Sure, it can. It really depends on the urge, the perceived costs of giving into the urge, and etc.



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02 Jan 2009, 4:40 pm

I've learned, from myself and other people, that the more you repress an urge, the stronger it becomes.



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02 Jan 2009, 5:00 pm

I think people think that so they can more conveniently justify their homophobia. It sounds slightly more PC to discriminate on the basis of a "lifestyle choice" than on an inborn genetic trait.

This seems to be a common theme with humans, always putting truth on the back seat when it conflicts with preconceived biases and prejudices. In the past people justified abuse of the mentally ill and even the physically ill by claiming that the victim was inhabited by demons. Different times, same old bullsh*t.