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02 Jan 2009, 5:10 pm

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Not to us :roll:


Sorry but am I missing something here? :huh:


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02 Jan 2009, 5:30 pm

Don't worry, you will soon join us.. :twisted:



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02 Jan 2009, 5:55 pm

I think the idea that someone would choose to be gay is absurd. I couldnt ever imagine myself or any of my (straight) friends just deciding one day we find people of the same gender to be sexually desirable. Theres a huge difference between deciding to admit to yourself that your gay and deciding to be gay.


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02 Jan 2009, 6:13 pm

I stilll think it's a matter of discovering one's latent homosexuality than wilfully readjusting one's sexual preference. If a person has a homoerotic sexual encounter and find that it is enjoyable, that is nothing more than their latent homosexuality rising to the surface.



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02 Jan 2009, 6:30 pm

Krem wrote:
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The asexuals? :scratch:


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02 Jan 2009, 6:37 pm

I believe that individual humans are each born with a scope of sexuality potential. During engagement with the environment potential is shaped and channeled into actuality. For some individuals their innate sexuality potential might be very limited or exceptionally broad in particular aspects. Some people for instance might have a strong propensity towards heterosexuality such that no environmental effect can shift them to homosexuality, some might have a strong propensity towards object fetish such that it is unlikely the person will not develop a sexual object fetish in response to environmental engagement.

So while most people (being part of their own environment) can influence the development of their own sexuality, they cannot determine it, and further they (the individual) are only one factor among many, and the will of the individual is probably one of the least influential factors in determining sexuality for most persons.



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02 Jan 2009, 6:45 pm

If a person has a homosexual encounter and enjoys it , it just means they enjoyed it and nothing is coming to the surface latent or otherwise. This is some schoolbook theory that was disproved about forty years ago.


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02 Jan 2009, 7:55 pm

False dichotomy anyone? Not being born with something doesn't meant you choose to get it some point later in life. Though obviously, in relation to the "issue" in terms of morals choice nor innateness prove nothing.



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02 Jan 2009, 8:33 pm

So it comes down to Nature vs. Nurture, does it?



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02 Jan 2009, 8:50 pm

I think it could be either natural or learned. Those you can tell from a mile away were probably born that way. Their posture and physique are a little bit different than heteros. Others I can't tell. I think those learn it.


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02 Jan 2009, 9:02 pm

I'm straight and as far as I know I made no conscious decision to prefer women. I was probably born heterosexual. I have a hunch that your sexuality is prewired even before you understand what sex is. As a toddler your sexual identity is probably just lying in wait, waiting for puberty to begin. Even if your parents nudge you into the gender stereotype as a baby, with pink/blue colours, Barbie or GI Joe, it might not make any difference. And the older you get, the less subtle and more prevalent those attempts to shoehorn you into a gender stereotype become.



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02 Jan 2009, 9:34 pm

Confused-Fish wrote:
Of course people can choose to be gay.. silly question (no offence)

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I've heard of women being driven to lesbianism by bad experiences with men, but not the other way around. Maybe women are naturally more open to experimentation.


or more likely to hold a grudge against approximately 50% of the world's populations for the actions of 1-2 people.


sooo in your opinion women are more likely to be irrationally hateful and aggressive?


only those driven by bad experiences with men to over generalize the actions of a few people to half of the world's population.

I am not talking about all women, just a subset.



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02 Jan 2009, 9:36 pm

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because some do


And those that do choose to be gay talk about doing and having done so.


not all. Some do so because of obvious issues. Some are honest about those issues and some are not. I think some people are gay and some become gay in a sort of "psychosomatic way"



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02 Jan 2009, 9:38 pm

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I think people think that so they can more conveniently justify their homophobia. It sounds slightly more PC to discriminate on the basis of a "lifestyle choice" than on an inborn genetic trait.

This seems to be a common theme with humans, always putting truth on the back seat when it conflicts with preconceived biases and prejudices. In the past people justified abuse of the mentally ill and even the physically ill by claiming that the victim was inhabited by demons. Different times, same old bullsh*t.


I believe it can be both. And I am neither homophobic, nor do I justify abuse of homosexuals.



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02 Jan 2009, 9:39 pm

kalantir wrote:
I think the idea that someone would choose to be gay is absurd. I couldnt ever imagine myself or any of my (straight) friends just deciding one day we find people of the same gender to be sexually desirable. Theres a huge difference between deciding to admit to yourself that your gay and deciding to be gay.


there would be more to it than just waking up one day and deciding to be gay.



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02 Jan 2009, 9:41 pm

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I stilll think it's a matter of discovering one's latent homosexuality than wilfully readjusting one's sexual preference. If a person has a homoerotic sexual encounter and find that it is enjoyable, that is nothing more than their latent homosexuality rising to the surface.


you can find oddly different things sexual depending on who you are and how long it has been since you have had sex, and how much that influences you. A woman who hasn't had sex in a long time and is highly sexual might decide to have a homoerotic encounter and find it enjoyable... but not be homosexual.