China is Already Replacing Russia in Siberia

Post Reply New Topic

Well yeah...the ethnic Chinese dominate the economy of southeast Asia. During the whole Vietnam war era you would hear about the city of Cholon...the "Chinatown" of Saigon (actually a whole seperate city at the mouth of same Mekong River).

In the 1890s a king of Thailand...the son of "The King" portrayed in all in "the King and I" musical plays and movies, and in the earlier "Anna and the King of Siam" movie wrote a book for westerners complaining about how the ethnic Chinese ran his country.

And guess what title he gave that book?


The title was "The Jews of the Orient".
What can I say? He knew his Victorian European audience and their attitudes then.


You were talking about living among ethnic Chinese in Indonesia...for real. About that time you were doing that I was slogging through a dusty old book I had to report on for an anthropology class about that very subject.

According to the book there are two kinds of ethnic Chinese in Indonesia:Totoks, and Paranakans. I am wondering if you ever encounter those terms.

The Paranakans have been in the Dutch East Indies/Indonesia for four hundred years are descended from male Chinese merchants who came south and married local women. Culturally and racially they are a blend of Indonesian and Chinese but are considered Chinese.

In the late nineteenth and early 20th centuries things got intolerable in China and whole families...indeed often often whole villages would up and leave China as a unit a relocate to the Indies. This newer group is pure Chinese in culture and race.

I couldnt help stuffing it into an American mold in my mind. So I thought of the Paranakans as being like the Pilgrims and Jamestown colonists of the same time (except even those colonies consisted of whole families). But actually they were more like civilian equivalents of the Spanish conquistadors. Male only adventurers who married local Indians in Mexico and Peru.

The Totoks I likened to the Ellis Island wave of millions of East and south europeans who came to America at about the same time as the Totoks moved to the Dutch East Indies. But I digress.

What's the word for "gulag" in Chinese?

Never heard of totoks but did come across Perakanans - In Malaysia and Indonesia they settled among local Dayaks and Malays intermarrying. In Singapore and Malaysia they are also called "Babas". But they are culturally Chinese.

Yes, correct, this newer group only married within their clan groups initially (teowchew, Hakka, Cantonese etc) but later only among other Chinese.

Certainly some similarities but also differences. the chinese largely assimilated into the existing cultures but run the country. So probably more similar to Mexico and less Jamestown.

the US pilgrims prohibited miscegenation although both native Americans and black Americans carry the genetic legacy of settler DNA. Newer Chinese migrants are also uppity about purity.

Thats what I meant. The Brits came over as all-English family units, as opposed to the Spanish mode of operation of the same and earlier which was to send male-only units of army guys over.

DNA testing actually is revealing some interesting settlement patterns. When Britain colonised India, for the first 200 years only men were bought over. the result was the overnight emergence of what was called the Anglo-Indian community (children of British soldiers and Indian women). Since 1948 much of this community immigrated to Britain, Australia and the US. But I mention DNA testing. Since the popularity of 23andme and Ancestry.com. many Indians and Pakistanis have been using this service and a surprising number have discovered they carry a fraction of specifically British male Y chromosome DNA. I imagine over many generations this will dilute out but currently it's historically recent enough to still be detectable.

It should be pointed out that Indo-European languages (like the one we are currently communicating in) only came to Europe via the Yamnaya horse people from the steppes of Russia relatively recently (5000 years ago). the genetic legacy is complete replacement of the male lines in Europe who were wiped out completely and replacement with the male Yamnaya Y chromosome DNA.. this is most stark in Britain where the original male builders of Stonehenge left no genetic imprint in modern Britains. the Beaker people who entered Britain were made up of single male warriors who in the traditions of their ancestors annihaliated the male prehistoric population and took the women. thus thre female line can be traced back to paleolithic times while the male lines hark back to the horsemen of the steppe.

Y-chromosomes and mitochondrial DNA don't dilute, they get passed directly with no influence from one's other ancestral lines.

In that case it will stick around. I did do a DNA test for my daughter using a well known company and I discovered she carries a R1b gene which means one of her ancestors was marauding around Europe terrorising some poor farmers.