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I remember I used to feel like that back when I had obsessions with certain people. Like when I was a teenager I became obsessed with this guy who lived near my cousin, and I was so afraid that he was going to move away and I wouldn't be able to see him again - even though I didn't actually know him enough to see him but what I mean is see him driving by or doing shopping in the supermarket or something. Those few seconds of passing him would really make my day and fill me with potential, like I'd won the lottery. I really couldn't bear the thought of life without seeing him about.
With obsessions, they choose me, I don't choose them. So I can't just make myself be obsessed with something or somebody, it has to just come without me expecting it. So losing an obsession while I'm obsessed is just devastating for me. Becoming less interested in the obsession is different, because it's not the same as it being taken from me, so I lose nothing.
It does kinda frighten me a bit that I have to live an existence where I can become consumed by an obsession beyond my control. I hate that. I haven't had an obsession for 11 years and now I have an obsession again and I just want to talk about it nonstop but I know I can't really, because other people don't really care. But it's really hard not to talk about it when your mind is overtaken by it. It feels like masking. So I have to just be obsessed alone so that I don't bore people to death.
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How much longer before dictator dump launches a literal war against Canada? It's pretty P.O.ed at that ad with Ronnie Reagan, even though it's (mostly) true. Or because it is. I also heard it's building a ballroom in the white house. Anything to distract people from the Epstein files, huh?
Seriously, should I start prepping for when the dump and its drones comes to terrorize us? ![]()
My aunt knows of a family who had a daughter, and when she was 1 she was such a clever little girl, would play with you and giggle and offer you her toys. She was such a joy to babysit. Then when she hit around 20 months she suddenly began to lose that cheeky little personality. Her parents thought she was just sickening for something, but when it went on for a few weeks and she wasn't showing any physical signs of illness, they became worried. The babysitter no longer enjoyed looking after her because all she'd do was scream and cry and not engage with you at all. It was like having a completely different child. By her second birthday she had changed completely, and the parents had to take her to psychiatrists, and it didn't take long for them to diagnose her with autism.
While the parents were glad to have an answer, they were devastated because of how she used to be and they felt like they had lost their child to a completely different one who wasn't theirs. They had to get used to a new way of life. They couldn't go on family outings any more without the child having meltdowns over things nobody could control. The child was withdrawn and like she was locked inside her own head, and nobody could get through to her. She had to attend a special school, which was difficult because there was none in their area, so they had to drive about ten miles to the nearest special school. She was still in diapers at age 6 and didn't seem to be learning any social skills, despite being taught at school. It was an isolating, miserable existence for both the child and her family. And when the child turned 12 she became aggressive and violent and had to be sent away to a group home or something like that and be looked after. It was heartbreaking.
The family loved their child unconditionally of course, and they tried anything they could to give her a good life, but at the same time they were devastated that their sociable, thriving toddler turned out to be a different child who they couldn't engage with no matter what they did. The mother became depressed, and the father couldn't cope with her emotional declination so they divorced. The father had the daughter every weekend but all she did was scream and cry in a corner and wouldn't engage or do anything else.
While it's not the autistic person's fault, can you see how autism can really be horrific and devastating and break happy, loving families up? Sometimes no matter what you do, autism can be so severe that there's just no helping them. And it's worse when the child starts off as a normal, thriving baby, only to suddenly turn into this stranger who the family would never really get to know.
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I mean, while I was a challenging child, at least I still had social skills, could engage well with others, form close bonds with my parents, siblings, cousins, etc, could easily express myself, went to mainstream school, engaged in social activities, was affectionate, sociable, and in many ways just a normal kid; rode my bike with other children, watched cartoons after school, had sleepovers, enjoyed family outings and vacations, went swimming during the summer holidays, had a normal sense of danger so didn't need to be constantly watched...the list goes on and on. So at least my parents and siblings did have a normal life with me.
I actually got more challenging as I got older, because my hyperactivity became more about excessive expressing of emotions and poor emotional regulation. So I'd erupt, "fly off the handle", when it came to triggers such as exposure to fears like social isolation. I'd take it all out on my mother, by yelling, complaining, slamming doors, arguing, etc. No physical violence though, but I still managed to upset the household. Then I developed a fear of snow in my early 20s and became extremely distressed and angry whenever snow was forecasted. I seemed to have developed a stupid irrational belief that if I yelled at my mother enough the snow would magically disappear. The fear came from slipping over on some ice and having strangers laughing at me in the street. Ever since then, I developed social anxiety in public places and felt that I was conspicuous, and snow would trigger this as I was scared to walk out to work in it. It became a problem, and my family would dread every winter because of this.
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She probably had Rett syndrome. I saw a video about that yesterday.
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I remember I used to feel like that back when I had obsessions with certain people. Like when I was a teenager I became obsessed with this guy who lived near my cousin, and I was so afraid that he was going to move away and I wouldn't be able to see him again - even though I didn't actually know him enough to see him but what I mean is see him driving by or doing shopping in the supermarket or something. Those few seconds of passing him would really make my day and fill me with potential, like I'd won the lottery. I really couldn't bear the thought of life without seeing him about.
With obsessions, they choose me, I don't choose them. So I can't just make myself be obsessed with something or somebody, it has to just come without me expecting it. So losing an obsession while I'm obsessed is just devastating for me. Becoming less interested in the obsession is different, because it's not the same as it being taken from me, so I lose nothing.
It does kinda frighten me a bit that I have to live an existence where I can become consumed by an obsession beyond my control. I hate that. I haven't had an obsession for 11 years and now I have an obsession again and I just want to talk about it nonstop but I know I can't really, because other people don't really care. But it's really hard not to talk about it when your mind is overtaken by it. It feels like masking. So I have to just be obsessed alone so that I don't bore people to death.
My special interests are also like that - I have no one to talk about them with, and masking is the only option
Do I fixate on people? Not so much
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That's so crappy, Tamaya. I'm really sorry about that. No wonder you were anxious.
I came here with a story about being undignified in public because of hunger. Not Hunger hunger just hunger. There is no vomiting but there is being hungry and then eating and then being nauseous, and then being ashamed, and then not being ashamed
Walking out of the store all I was conscious of was that chicken.
When I got outside I only got a few metres before I couldn't help myself.
So there I was, crouched on the ground, shoving chicken in my face - I think I might have been crying (I have an image of that girl from Spirited Away) but it's possible my face was completely impassive (around the chicken).
I reckon I got through a lot of that chicken.
And then suddenly, of course, I felt really ill. The remainder of the chicken was indescribably revolting to me. And all of a sudden I knew there were people around me.
There was a public restroom nearby so I stood up and wobbled into it...
And it was filthy! And I think there was only a useless trickle of water from the tap. The smell was appalling. I think maybe I couldn't bring myself to go into a stall for toilet paper even because the smell there was so bad.
I was standing in this horrible, dirty place that no one looked after, covered in chicken grease with no way to get it off.
I'm reminded of the story Oscar Wilde told from prison - that after his terrible moment of humiliation, every day at that time for I forget how long his body just cried.
But it was just a bit of chicken grease!
Still, I know how ashamed I was and that I thought shame was part of me.
It felt like I was dirty, abject, something that could never receive care. Just from that bit of fecking chicken grease.
It was easy for me to feel those things because I'd learnt them earlier on. It was like I carried them around with me everywhere and they were just waiting for an opportunity to come out.
I can't access them now because they are no longer inside me
In fact I was just a young woman in a dirty public toilet with a bit of grease on my face. There was no stain on me. And now when it comes into my mind I just feel a bit sorry. The shame isn't there any more.
At that time I had money and access to food. I just hadn't figured out the rhythms of eating yet.
So I had a really common experience. I dipped my toe in. There's a whole lake of fire beyond that that I cannot fathom.
Just as I cannot fathom why anybody would be taught to feel ashamed of being hungry or laughed at for slipping on ice.
I get the impression from these forums that an awful lot of us have felt shame or acute embarrassment about things that aren't our fault, so I just wanted to say this somewhere. Even though I don't know what it is exactly that I'm trying to say.
people who laugh or sneer at others' misfortunes ought to take a good hard look at themselves.
It is late, little brain, go the feck back to sleep now.
I went to bed at seven o'clock tonight and woke up at half past twelve at midnight.
I briefly felt that the things I clung to were useless, including memories of junior high school and college, including that I wanted to keep all the books I had read, including that I wanted to think about new furniture after my job was stable.
I imagine that there is another shore in time, and when I get there, everything is wonderful and no longer changes.
Heaven doesn't exist, and neither does the shore.
I know I'm wrong, but I don't know what's right.Throwing away memories and experiences won't make me any better.But keeping them makes me a fool.
There is a quip on the Internet:Half-fools are the most uncomfortable: they can't really be as carefree as a fool, and they can't act intelligently.
When I revisited this post, I was not satisfied with the conclusion of my thinking, which I thought was a profound insight.
I want to get a proper lifestyle and attitude.Will this be another impossible shore to reach?
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i do not like or understand how "most people" could act so carefree and relaxed, while i am so uptight and constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop.
a couple times, i asked lot attendant adam w to please load something for me (because i am not strong enough to lift it) and adam w had the nerve to answer with a joke. but more than once, customers have had the nerve to go looking for me, while i was looking for more servants to help them load or unload their stupid lil merchandise. and then the customers had the nerve to bark @ me for taking too much time.
meanwhile, adam acted like he had nothing to worry about in the solar system. he works in the same company, building, and job title as me. financially, he is in the same boat as me.
sometimes, even the homeless act so uninhibited and happy.
i do not understand or like how or why they do that.
Long time alone and online dating made me almost forget about Asperger's syndrome.
Until just now, when my girlfriend was angry, I saw the help post of the parents of autistic children.I think it all makes sense.
When I was a kid, I didn't like to look people in the eye, I liked to whisper, and I liked to play with assembly toys.At the time, I thought I had a lot of social interaction, but looking back, it was just a few social interactions.
The good news is that as long as I don't interact with people, life looks good and tolerable.
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(I was cluttering up the empathy thread but this is in response to that.)
When my sister E. died my mother said I was parroting. I couldn't cry or look sad because parroting was disrespectful, so I was very impassive.
Then we went up for the funeral. My sister R. had been missing but she roared up at the last minute on the back of a motorbike... in a leather jacket
(I'm a bit distracted by how cool she was.) She took one look at me and my impassive face and hugged me and said I'm sorry, I know, we were her sisters. That was one of the most important moments of my life.
I am pretty sure I thought my sisters had magical powers. But that was just empathy, huh.
If that is empathy I do get that
that is something I feel for others.
Over the next several years I became extremely sensitive to moods, first my mother's and then someone else's. It was like I knew what they were feeling before they themselves reacted to it. If they emoted, I felt it in my own body.
That is not empathy. That is hypervigilance. But I'm not sure how I would explain the difference, because it is emotional attunement in either case, no?
And there is a third thing, which is technically sympathy, not empathy: having emotions of my own in response to someone else's emotions. That is also a thing that happens to me.
complicated.
Until just now, when my girlfriend was angry, I saw the help post of the parents of autistic children.I think it all makes sense.
When I was a kid, I didn't like to look people in the eye, I liked to whisper, and I liked to play with assembly toys.At the time, I thought I had a lot of social interaction, but looking back, it was just a few social interactions.
The good news is that as long as I don't interact with people, life looks good and tolerable.
It sounds like you were a thoughtful and sensitive child, belijojo. I bet a lot of people here relate to that experience.
I was probably similar - I couldn't look people in the eye, I had trouble speaking, and I didn't really have age-appropriate interests.
I didn't know why I struggled with eye contact. When people were talking, I'd catch myself looking at their mouths to watch the sounds come out. I remember being very self-conscious about it.
Just had the police around again about my neighbour above. Seems he's been hospitalised. Just wish he'd be a bit nicer to his neighbours and then he wouldn't get so much aggro.
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