Let's just say for a moment aliens did land on earth...

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05 Dec 2014, 3:01 pm

And they figured out a way to communicate with humans. They tell us they are in danger and will not survive. Earth is their only option otherwise their species dies out and they want their own little slice of land on earth. Would humans deny them the right to live here with their own land?

Why or why not?



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05 Dec 2014, 4:23 pm

If their population is small, I could see Russia, U.S. and others negotiating some type of deals in exchange for advanced technology, knowledge, etc. But not if their population is too large. We already have a growing human population problem that is going to get serious in the next couple of centuries.



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05 Dec 2014, 4:31 pm

If the Republicans rule the house, senate, judicial, and executive branches of Government, possibly not.

If the Democrats do, a resounding yes, as they are for ALL immigrants still for a melting pot of culture.

However, if they (aliens from space) carry diseases that humans cannot gain immunity for that may kill them off, all bets are off.

If they are advanced per weaponry, as they likely would be to protect themselves from UNCIVILIZED RESTRICTED TRIBAL HATING HUMAN BEINGS that do unfortunately still exist on this planet, they (ALIENS) WILL HAVE THEIR WAY, WITH DUE RESPECT, I GUESS.

BUT WE BETTER NOT TRY TO OVERCOME WHAT WE CANNOT OVERCOME AND LIKELY WE WOULD NOT, OVERALL, AS IT WOULD BE GUARANTEED DEATH AND DESTRUCTION FOR OUR PART, SAME AS THE BUILT IN AVOIDANCE OF NUCLEAR WAR, PER REASON OF MUTUAL DESTRUCTION.


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05 Dec 2014, 5:36 pm

Most likely we would chase them off with our weapons drawn.



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05 Dec 2014, 7:03 pm

We can't even get along with humans as species and still kill each other based on race. Anything that's even more alien than skintone is probably met with more adversity.

My guess is that within the first hour aliens would show themselves, at least one ends up caught and is already on an an autopsy table at least, not to mention that the rest would be held in captivity until we figure out what we should do with them.

If they have superior technology, it's probably going to be used for wars we wage on this planet. My guess is that the only blessing we could have is that they're a pacifist race and the only thing they have to offer us is something like a warpdrive to make space travel more efficient... and hope that we won't bump into other alien races that are less pacifist.



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06 Dec 2014, 12:18 am

I honestly think the governments of the developed world will let them live here. It would be genocidal to deny them their existence and the developed world, supposedly, abhors genocide.



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06 Dec 2014, 5:05 am

I would be very suspicious of them. What kind of civilisation would have interstellar travel, but no ability to construct space colonies or terraform planets?

But it depends on how they got here. Slower than light or faster? Hibernation plus orion pulse drive, aimed at the nearest habitable planet, or some kind of warp drive? If the latter, then Tau'ri ingenuity plus the aliens FTL tech would allow us to give them a Terraformed world a few light years away, instead...


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06 Dec 2014, 10:41 am

What we should and would do are very different, in' they?

If some land is suitable for them that is not suitable for us so is very sparsely populated, what possible bioharzard could they be? any worse than lands we have done bio or nuclear experiments on already? like the Australian western desert, which could be a place for them.



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06 Dec 2014, 1:29 pm

I don't like the attitude that just because they aren't indigenous they deserve some stinking piece of land humans have ruined through human activity. They should have a really nice place and we should serve them. We should recognize their advances. They would actually be better than we are in many ways.

They would, hopefully, humble humanity and cause us to question our ridiculous arrogance.



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06 Dec 2014, 1:54 pm

If they need a habitable planet in order to survive, they're obviously less advanced than us...

They should consider themselves lucky that we allow them to live on our world - in exchange for their ship (mmmm, volatiles and refined metals on orbit), hibernation technology and stellar cartography data. As they say, beggars can't be choosers, and they don't have much of value to give us. If they have cheap interstellar travel, then we'll help them terraform a nearby exoplanet for their new homeworld; they can live in a Bernal sphere for the time being.


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06 Dec 2014, 2:00 pm

Magneto wrote:
If they need a habitable planet in order to survive, they're obviously less advanced than us...

They should consider themselves lucky that we allow them to live on our world - in exchange for their ship (mmmm, volatiles and refined metals on orbit), hibernation technology and stellar cartography data. As they say, beggars can't be choosers, and they don't have much of value to give us. If they have cheap interstellar travel, then we'll help them terraform a nearby exoplanet for their new homeworld; they can live in a Bernal sphere for the time being.

Just them getting here and being able to quickly figure out how to talk with us means they are more advanced. There could be some circumstance involving their ship beyond their control and if they continue in space, they will simply all die on the ship. It doesn't mean they are less advanced than us! It would be arrogant to assume just because there's a problem and they are struggling to solve it, they are "less advanced."



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06 Dec 2014, 3:59 pm

You said "Earth is their only option". That says that they lack the ability to survive anywhere that is not already a habitable planet. Whereas if we were inclined to, we could thrive on a world that is lacks breathable air fairly easily, just use domes, and could survive on worlds that are basically vacuum. In fact, we don't even need the world.

You're scenario also has them being the last of their species. In which case, they're in no position to be making demands, they have no alternative option. Anyway, I think it's fair that we get something in return - their ship, say, and all data they possess...

Which, given that the conditions you've given imply that they've been limping through space in an orion pulse drive ship and hibernating, won't be much; only the cartography data and hibernation tech will be useful. If they're using a generation ship, they already know how to build space colonies, and don't need Terra. If they have relativistic travel, they have access to sufficient energy to terraform planets for themselves. If they can go FTL... well, they have something of value for us, and I'm sure we can come to an arrangement to fix up a neighbouring system for them.


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06 Dec 2014, 4:48 pm

Magneto wrote:
You said "Earth is their only option". That says that they lack the ability to survive anywhere that is not already a habitable planet. Whereas if we were inclined to, we could thrive on a world that is lacks breathable air fairly easily, just use domes, and could survive on worlds that are basically vacuum. In fact, we don't even need the world.

You're scenario also has them being the last of their species. In which case, they're in no position to be making demands, they have no alternative option. Anyway, I think it's fair that we get something in return - their ship, say, and all data they possess...

Which, given that the conditions you've given imply that they've been limping through space in an orion pulse drive ship and hibernating, won't be much; only the cartography data and hibernation tech will be useful. If they're using a generation ship, they already know how to build space colonies, and don't need Terra. If they have relativistic travel, they have access to sufficient energy to terraform planets for themselves. If they can go FTL... well, they have something of value for us, and I'm sure we can come to an arrangement to fix up a neighbouring system for them.



Our scientists would encourage them to share of course! It wouldn't be one way.



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06 Dec 2014, 6:46 pm

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07 Dec 2014, 7:16 am

Is it just a straight yes or no question? There's too many factors to weigh in that would probably require humanity several months to give an answer to. Why is their race in a state of decline? What knowledge about intergalactic travel can they offer humans? How can they help global warming or our issue with fossil fuels? What currency would they use if they came here? How many will come? What sort of climate can their species survive in (there's plenty of room on earth if they can handle it..) How will humanity adapt to sharing their planet with a new race? What god will they worship? What if they refuse to worship (insert god here based on region they're forced to live)?


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07 Dec 2014, 12:01 pm

On what scale are we talking about? A boatful of a few hundred aliens? Or the whole species comes over - by the billions?

And its a rather contrived situation.
These aliens are so advanced that they can traverse intersteller space to reach us.

If they are that much ahead of us in technology then they could just extort the earth away from us by force anyway.
They wouldnt need to humbly ask us to let them in.

If they were this odd combination of powerful and weak-that you envision them-then maybe we would dicker with them.
We could let them have Antarctica- see if they can terraform it. If they cant- then they die. If the succeed in terraforming a piece of earth then we could hire them to terraform Mars for our own use.