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15 Aug 2015, 8:30 am

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Actually I find this statement highly triggering. Stop oppressing me!


Forgive me for not giving a trigger warning (wait, no, you don't have to forgive me as that means I'm asking too much of you. You can if you want to, though; I'm not trying to control your choices.... Snap! I'm sorry for saying "control" without a warning. Ah damn! I didn't mean to put an exclamation mark after "snap", as that implies more noise than what many sensitive people are comfortable with. O god, I put one after "damn" too. Ah, sorry for using "god" as a mark of shock, as that's very offensive to many oppressed people worldwide. But, if you're Muslim, then praise be to god and peace be upon him).



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15 Aug 2015, 10:51 am

There is some serious noun-verb confusion going on in this thread. If I advocate for the human rights of women, I may call myself a womens rights advocate (not synonymous with feminism), and the term would apply. So, if I in turn also advocate for the human rights of men, I might call myself a hateful misogynistic bigot, wait, what?

There are indeed some very questionable sub-groups who label themselves MRA and the term probably does apply to them. But if the pro-SJW side wants to judge the MRM by its worst elements, it will have to submit to the same scrutiny in kind, and that is not going to be a favourable comparison for them.

I would never suggest that discrimination against either sex and/or gender on that basis is acceptable. I think both sides has issues that do need to be adressed. That being said, it would be helpful if one side didn't have to deal with a mob of political ideologues rushing in and shouting about how adressing one sides problems is minimizing the problems of the other side, and stifling any and all progress. Case in point: Earl Silverman. In a nation the size of Canada, there is ONE shelter for battered men (women are the perpetrators in 40% of intimate relations violence cases) Guess the ideology of those that would see there be none?

Genital mutilation is a problem for babies of both sexes only in the least developed parts of the world. In the first world, it is only a problem for male babies. I'm going to reveal my deeply rooted misogyny and suggest that this is a problem in need of adressing.

When was the last time you heard anything about male-only scholarships for university, seeing as women make up 61% of university students? Or any real effort whatsoever to get more men into academia? My guess is never. And compare that to the prevalence of female-only scholarships. But oh, there's my misogyny again.

And finally a question to trans-inclusionary feminists: I'm glad that you advocate for LGBTQ rights, but how do you even reconcile the idea of having a different gender to your sex, if gender is "just a social construct"? I'll be nice and not even ask about those feminists who claim that biological sex is also a social construct.

and now I will take my raging misogyny and go out for a bit.


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15 Aug 2015, 11:48 am

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Nothing shameful about having Asperger's--but I just don't see the glamor in it. It doesn't make sense.

Maybe the "smart" aspect of it--but otherwise. No glamor in it!

I agree that it doesn't make sense, but maybe it makes these people feel special. As far as these online tests are concerned, you have to take them multiple times in different moods and answer them honestly.


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15 Aug 2015, 1:46 pm

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Are you saying that there are aspie-poseurs on Tumblr?

I am shocked!

Shocked, I say!

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Yes its seems this is a well known phenomona although to be honest I'd never even been on tumblr unit a few months ago. The whole SJW tumlr experience has been somewhat of an eyeopener for me! Its a crazy world.


yeah i've been aware of tumblr self diagnosers. while i dn't oppse self diagnosis 100% of the time, i think most people on tumblr do it wrong.

i'm also a mod of an anti-sjw blog, but i've been taking a little break from modding since some people who follw can be just as bad as sjw's at times. heck i've received hate from anti-sj's as well as sjw's on tumblr



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16 Aug 2015, 2:59 am

I don't think we should associate with SJW's in all honesty.

I've been harassed on twitter before (while fully stating on my profile I am autistic) for not agreeing with their logic 100%. This is coming from someone who used to relate to them until the wool was lifted from my eyes.



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17 Aug 2015, 2:13 am

From my experience, the people doing the most damage to autistics are undiagnosed parents of autistic kiddos. I have yet to talk to someone who is either diagnosed or self-diagnosed as autistic, who puts down autistics as much or even at all, in comparison to the parents of kiddos on the spectrum looking for pity for themselves.



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17 Aug 2015, 3:03 am

Dillogic wrote:
evilreligion wrote:
Actually I find this statement highly triggering. Stop oppressing me!


Forgive me for not giving a trigger warning (wait, no, you don't have to forgive me as that means I'm asking too much of you. You can if you want to, though; I'm not trying to control your choices.... Snap! I'm sorry for saying "control" without a warning. Ah damn! I didn't mean to put an exclamation mark after "snap", as that implies more noise than what many sensitive people are comfortable with. O god, I put one after "damn" too. Ah, sorry for using "god" as a mark of shock, as that's very offensive to many oppressed people worldwide. But, if you're Muslim, then praise be to god and peace be upon him).

Seriously! Where to begin in this hatefest of words.
Lets start with the obvious.
First "god" is a name it should have a capital letter not doing so is deeply offensive to Christians
Secondly "god" is used singularly assuming there is only one god, this is deeply offensive to polytheists and as most poly theists are in fact from other cultures that makes you a complete racist
Thirdly "god" is clearly refers to the male form of a deity only making you a woman hating rape applogist and probably an actual rapist.
Fourth using the word "god" in reference to Islam seriously? WTF! you know its Allah so by deliberatly being so insensitive makes you racist and islamophobic. I mean you are essentially condoning the crusades and the slaughter ans rape of millions of innocent Muslims at the hands of white, straight, cis male scumfucks you might as well be drawing a cartoon of Mohamed f*****g a pig. Seriously.
I can't take this abuse I am now suffering from PTSD and am going to my safe space.



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17 Aug 2015, 3:52 am

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From my experience, the people doing the most damage to autistics are undiagnosed parents of autistic kiddos. I have yet to talk to someone who is either diagnosed or self-diagnosed as autistic, who puts down autistics as much or even at all, in comparison to the parents of kiddos on the spectrum looking for pity for themselves.

Don't assume that parents who do this are looking for pity. Most are not. Most parents who "hate on autism" are laboring under the false presumption that autism is a terrible disease. This is a lie propogated by the media and by many large autism charities. Its not about pity, most parents are fighting for their kids who they see as afflicted by an illness. They see themselves as similar to the parents of kids with any other life long illness. They are, their mind, fighting for their kids and fighting against this terrible autism thing and want to prevent this from happening to other kids. Its ain't, for the most part, about pity.

This is very important to understand if we want to change the way that these parents think. If we start to berate them for seeking pity they will imediatly dismiss what we say and get angry because we are accusing them of something they are not doing. So imagine a parent of a kid with cancer being told they were just seeking pity because they were campaigning for a cure for cancer. That parent would immediately get furious because they are not campaigning for a cancer cure to seek pity they are doing it because they want to help kids and other parents. It is coming from a place of compassion and wanting to help others. If we accuse them of seeing pity we are accusing them of doing something they are not and moreover we a shitting on what they think is a very good thing that they are doing. This is the mindset of those parents who campaign for a cure for autism.

So instead of accusing such parents of seeking pity what we need to do is to address their base assumptions about autism, We need to show them that it is not like cancer and that it is not a disease or illness. We also need to be very careful about whether we are discussing the same condition. Autism is so wide, so varied that it is not in my opinion a single condition. An autism diagnosis is arrived at by observing behavioural traits. It is entirely possible that these behaviours are caused by multiple underlying "conditions". In kids with extreamly severe autistic behaviours we often see very severe cognitive impairment, other co-morbid conditions (epilepsy, down's, fragile X etc) and actual physical health problems. This is a completely different thing to someone on the aspergers part of the spectrum. To insist that the parents of such severely disabled kids view autism in the same way that I view my sons autism or many people here view their own "higher functioning" autism seem a bit callous. The problem is that the "autism" label is applied to a far to broad a range of conditions. Most people with an autism diagnosis are healthy and just need acceptance and some reasonable accommodations for their differences. But lets not forget that the autism label can and is applied to some kids with very severe disabilities. I for one am not going to judge those parents badly for wanting to change their kids, I do not understand their experiences, I do not know what it is like to parent such a child and so I am simply not in a position to judge them because they do not share my view of autism. Like I said I don't think we are even talking about the same condition when comparing a perfectly healthy autistic child like my son to these kids.



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17 Aug 2015, 4:46 am

Where to even begin with this thread... I just... uuuuuugh.

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Fourth using the word "god" in reference to Islam seriously? WTF! you know its Allah so by deliberatly being so insensitive makes you racist and islamophobic. I mean you are essentially condoning the crusades and the slaughter ans rape of millions of innocent Muslims at the hands of white, straight, cis male scumfucks you might as well be drawing a cartoon of Mohamed f*****g a pig. Seriously. I can't take this abuse I am now suffering from PTSD and am going to my safe space.


Islamophobia, racism, rape, murder, and PTSD are all very serious issues, and anyone who has not personally experienced them has no right to joke about them. You should be ashamed of this post.

And anyone who associates the word "SJW" with bullying and censorship should rethink their position. There is no SJW problem. If your beef with SJW's is that they yell at you when you make rape jokes or racist comments, then frankly they're not the problem. You are.

And if your beef with SJW's is that some of them use their diagnosis as a shield from criticism, then your problem is with individuals, not the broader SJW culture. There shouldn't be any enmity between autistics, SJW's, and autistic SJW's. I know plenty of legit autistic SJW's who don't hide behind their diagnosis. I have watched them improve in so many ways, I've helped them improve, and I'm so proud to be a part of it.



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17 Aug 2015, 5:30 am

Barchan wrote:
Where to even begin with this thread... I just... uuuuuugh.

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Fourth using the word "god" in reference to Islam seriously? WTF! you know its Allah so by deliberatly being so insensitive makes you racist and islamophobic. I mean you are essentially condoning the crusades and the slaughter ans rape of millions of innocent Muslims at the hands of white, straight, cis male scumfucks you might as well be drawing a cartoon of Mohamed f*****g a pig. Seriously. I can't take this abuse I am now suffering from PTSD and am going to my safe space.


Islamophobia, racism, rape, murder, and PTSD are all very serious issues,

Indeed they are.

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and anyone who has not personally experienced them has no right to joke about them.

Well they have the right (free speech and all that) but I agree they we should not really joke about these things as there is nothing funny about any of these things.

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You should be ashamed of this post.

I do not understand your conclusion.
No one was joking about any of the things you mention.
The joke was in fact about SJW types who belittle the very things you list with their faux moral outrage.

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And anyone who associates the word "SJW" with bullying and censorship should rethink their position.

SJW's bully and censor. This is very different from real activists for social justice issues.

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There is no SJW problem.

Well quite clearly there is.

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If your beef with SJW's is that they yell at you when you make rape jokes or racist comments, then frankly they're not the problem. You are.

My beef is that SJW's will find a way to make anything into a racist or sexist comment regardless of the intent of the person making the comment. The SJW bends over backwards to try and find insult where none is intended. This mental gymnastics just belittles the real plight of people facing genuine persecution. Case in point your very post I am replying to. It was, or at least should be, obviouse that the butt of the joke here was the SJW faux victim mentality. But right on cue you have come along and found offense by implying that the joke was about Islamophobia, rape and PTSD when clearly none of those things were actually being joked about. It is precisely this faux moral outrage that I have a problem with.

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And if your beef with SJW's is that some of them use their diagnosis as a shield from criticism, then your problem is with individuals, not the broader SJW culture.

No my beef is with the broader SJW culture as this issue goes beyond autism. Also you need to distinguish between SJW's and social justice activists there is a huge difference. One group are tirelessly championing the rights of minority groups in an effort to improve lives the other are a bunch of whinny middle class slackivists using social justice issues to berate others and feel morally superior.

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There shouldn't be any enmity between autistics, SJW's, and autistic SJW's. I know plenty of legit autistic SJW's who don't hide behind their diagnosis. I have watched them improve in so many ways, I've helped them improve, and I'm so proud to be a part of it.

Again I think you are describing activists not SJW's.



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17 Aug 2015, 10:46 am

The views that autism SJWs have of severely disabled, cognitively impaired, low-functioning autistic children are ridiculous. They attribute their personal beliefs and preferences to those children and others, but what they think is going on in the minds of these autistic children doesn't even come close to what is going on in the mind of high-functioning children. Then they berate parents of these children for failing to understand their children as if they the SJWs have a great superior understanding of all autistic children.


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17 Aug 2015, 4:27 pm

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I do not understand your conclusion.
No one was joking about any of the things you mention.
The joke was in fact about SJW types who belittle the very things you list with their faux moral outrage.

Joking about people who may have experienced those issues does count as joking about those issues, whether you want it to or not.

"Belittle" by whose standards? Yours? Society's? There's nothing wrong with my rhetoric. The people who tell us to calm down and rethink our words, they're the ones doing the belittling. Calling it "faux moral outrage" is belittling. I promise you, the outrage is real. If you don't like our angry tone, then too bad, the anger is justified. We're not here to play nice. We're not going to ask for permission to change society. You need to understand that equality isn't given, it's taken, and by God we are going to take it. 8)



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17 Aug 2015, 5:37 pm

Anyone who would suggest limits on the subjects of jokes should be ignored.

But Jon Stewart has already shown that jokes can and should be about every subject of importance.

Only hopeless ideologues, humorless revolutionaries, religious zealots and dictators don't understand that.

Frighteningly large group of people, come to think of it.

But in all seriousness, the sketches on the Daily Show do far more to advance social justice than thought policing by politically correct nincompoops.

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/oyuwm8/left-behind



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17 Aug 2015, 9:53 pm

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jokes can and should be about every subject of importance. Only hopeless ideologues, humorless revolutionaries, religious zealots and dictators don't understand that.


Interesting theory. And which of these things are you accusing me of being?



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18 Aug 2015, 12:44 am

Barchan wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
jokes can and should be about every subject of importance. Only hopeless ideologues, humorless revolutionaries, religious zealots and dictators don't understand that.


Interesting theory. And which of these things are you accusing me of being?


No idea. Don't know you. Don't even know if you are sincere in trying to silence comedians for thought crimes.

But you don't have to pick just one, people can be all of these things when they try to shut down jokes. But this isn't about you, it's about the terrible idea that only some people have the right to joke about particular subjects.