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28 Dec 2016, 11:01 am

Hey there!

I just wanted to post something about feelings from the past that I have been processing.

I have been fighting my depression and addiction for a while and have been pretty successful at it. This has given me an opportunity to reflect on myself with a much clearer mind, and I have gotten to the source of my depression and need for addiction.

My mother, whom I love, has been very emotionally neglectful towards me in the past.
While growing up I used to share my room with my brother, who would bully me EVERY SINGLE DAY.
My mother was the only person who could really do something about this, and I would talk to her about it on an almost daily basis, basically pleading for her help. To no avail.
I just want to make clear that my brother almost never bullied me physically, more emotionally and mentally.

But that is not were it ends.
I have always attended normal schools. When it was time for me to go to highschool we had decided that I would go to a normal school. I completely agreed with this decision as it would fit me best.
However I did not fit well at the school were I ended up. My year had quite allot of bullies and I had to make myself pretty much invisible just in order not to become a target. I was actually quite succesfull at this and managed to somewhat avoid bullying. I was bullied, just not as much as could have been.
However I never felt good at school. So I also tried to talk about these things, again to no avail.
I was pretty much always ignored when I brought these things up. In fact my mom would put on something that I like to call "the stupid b***h routine".

One of the main problems was that she was kinda literally "in love" with my school. They were helpful financially and she had a good experience with most of the staff. She had kind of put up a wall that was impossible for me to penetrate.

This is in large part due to me often just not having the energy to tackle these things with full force.
EVERY DAY I would be sent to school that I hated, just to come home to a room which I had to share with a bully.
It wasn't until my brother moved out when I was 18 that I actually had a place were I could line up my thoughts and feelings. But at that time I was already with my head several miles deep into depression and had already been smoking weed at school for a year.

The most ridiculous thing about this is that now my mom vehemently denies that I ever talked about these things, which is complete garbage because I have talked about it literally all my life!

Because very recently my life had taken a very bad turn I have finally managed to have an "actual" conversation with her about these things. A real conversation, and not a conversation were she just throws snarky remarks at me until she shuts me up.

In order to put these things behind me, I need her to apologize to me for this.

And I think it will actually happen.

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Sorry that it's such a long text, I just had to get it off my chest. If you have similar experiences please share them!



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30 Dec 2016, 3:39 pm

My parents like to use me as a trophy to show off to their family/friends etc. Because of this, they didn't want to accept that I could have ASD (I'm currently unassessed), because that would mean that I'm not good enough, or something. I was kept down in preschool for lack of social skills, and lack of motor skills. They are both medical professionals, and understand the presentation of ASD, but have been firmly in denial for years. To make their denial work, they have blamed all my ASD behaviours on character flaws (e.g. I don't talk to people because I'm arrogant, I don't offer comfort and love because I'm heartless, I don't understand social interaction because I'm acting stupid or being lazy etc.), and berate and punish me for these flaws. When I told my mother 5 years ago that I have difficulty understanding people and functioning normally, she yelled at me, saying that I'm 'not like that.' My teachers aren't really worried, because I do very well academically. I have never had support, because my parents are too comfortable in their denial to think that I might need help.

I have a younger sibling, and they have recently taken to calling me 'stupid', 'idiot', 'ret*d' etc., and continually assert that I must have 'some kind of problem'. My parents mostly ignore it.

When I confronted my parents about their treatment of me a fortnight ago, they said that they suspected I could have ASD for years, but did nothing. My mother denies that I spoke to her 5 years ago, when she yelled at me for saying that I am struggling and need help.


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30 Dec 2016, 3:48 pm

Rather than making better inroads, can there be a polite retreat. It doesn't mean that you have to be a hermit, from the rest of society, just that there is a personality conflict.



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04 Jan 2017, 8:56 am

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My parents like to use me as a trophy to show off to their family/friends etc. Because of this, they didn't want to accept that I could have ASD (I'm currently unassessed), because that would mean that I'm not good enough, or something. I was kept down in preschool for lack of social skills, and lack of motor skills. They are both medical professionals, and understand the presentation of ASD, but have been firmly in denial for years. To make their denial work, they have blamed all my ASD behaviours on character flaws (e.g. I don't talk to people because I'm arrogant, I don't offer comfort and love because I'm heartless, I don't understand social interaction because I'm acting stupid or being lazy etc.), and berate and punish me for these flaws. When I told my mother 5 years ago that I have difficulty understanding people and functioning normally, she yelled at me, saying that I'm 'not like that.' My teachers aren't really worried, because I do very well academically. I have never had support, because my parents are too comfortable in their denial to think that I might need help.

I have a younger sibling, and they have recently taken to calling me 'stupid', 'idiot', 'ret*d' etc., and continually assert that I must have 'some kind of problem'. My parents mostly ignore it.

When I confronted my parents about their treatment of me a fortnight ago, they said that they suspected I could have ASD for years, but did nothing. My mother denies that I spoke to her 5 years ago, when she yelled at me for saying that I am struggling and need help.


Hey man.

In a way your story sounds similar to mine, especially with the denial. So I'll try to help out.

Sit your parents down, tell them you want to talk about something important.
Beforehand you might want to practice your story so you won't skip over an important point, or end up getting stuck/forgetting what you were trying to say.

Don't be afraid to let your emotions out. It wasn't until I was literally sobbing uncontrollably that my mom somewhat realized that she had been doing me wrong for all those years.

You might not realize this but things like this could be clogging up your mind and affecting your abilities in ways you don't realize. Ever since I have opened up about these things I have noticed improvements in my life and in the clarity of my thinking.



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04 Jan 2017, 8:57 am

friedmacguffins wrote:
Rather than making better inroads, can there be a polite retreat. It doesn't mean that you have to be a hermit, from the rest of society, just that there is a personality conflict.


I don't understand what you're trying to say.



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04 Jan 2017, 9:38 am

Datguy wrote:
friedmacguffins wrote:
Rather than making better inroads, can there be a polite retreat. It doesn't mean that you have to be a hermit, from the rest of society, just that there is a personality conflict.


I don't understand what you're trying to say.


OH I DO.

I agree with Datguy, ONLY because OP needs to know that he tried. But then I think friedmacguffins' approach needs to come in. Incidentally, I think macguffins' approach is something I needed to stick to more thoroughly myself long ago.

Sometimes you need to accept that your family are jerks. Usually people do not apologize. Everyone is the hero in their own private adventure. It's rare that anything you say will make them realize they were wrong and give a sincere apology. You might get an insincere one, but either immediately or eventually you'll see through it and feel just as sh*tty about it as you do now.

I think macguffins was trying to say that you should cut off contact as much as possible and only talk to them when necessary, to maintain politeness and avoid any big fights or unpleasantness (tell us if I'm wrong). I think that is ultimately the way to go. Move on, form relationships with good people. Eventually your friends and in-laws will be your family. You will appreciate those ties more having not had a good family to support you.



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04 Jan 2017, 12:00 pm

My mom and I have a good relationship now, but there was a degree of emotional neglect in my childhood as well - plus serious problems going on at school - and she honestly has ZERO memory of this.

Also, I look back on my marriage, and see that there was inexcusable, intentional sexual abuse going on. My ex-husband will never admit to this, or apologize for it.

Sometimes you just have to forgive people - or at the very least, agree to disagree on what happened in the past.



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04 Jan 2017, 12:07 pm

I've experienced the same thing to from my mom funny enough.

Whenever Id have huge social problems at school (i.e wasn't clicking with people) she would basically sort of "freeze me out" and almost resent me for not being able to click with other people.

My mom was always a bit more out to lunch in terms of the nature and extent of my disability than my father was.

She would often compare me unfavorably to a friend I had who was not on the spectrum and who was a star swimmer/ trumpet player. Instead of doing that it would have been helpful for her to explain or at least appreciate the true nature/extent of what I have in terms of organization,planning, academic struggles etc. Getting me to focus on them and address them instead of saying "Oh I wish youd be like this person."

She would often tell me to "get with it" and say things like if I just had a passion Id be better off than I am. She always pushed me socially and I am grateful to her for that, but when things didn't work out right she'd often put the onus on me and make me think I wasn't being friendly enough as opposed to the other kids just not buying what I was selling.

Whatever. I get along fine with her, but as well intentioned as she was, in retrospect there seems something a bit unserious about how she parented me.



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04 Jan 2017, 12:17 pm

Been there, done that, got the scars to prove it. Only difference is both my parents are dead and gone. Dad's been gone 31 years, Mom's been gone 6 years. Both came from dysfunctional homes. 2 dysfunctional people marrying=dysfunctional family, with 5 kids (one being deceased) no matter how hard they tried to look normal. I'll spare the details, since I described them elsewhere.



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04 Jan 2017, 2:08 pm

Aspertastic424 wrote:
She would often compare me unfavorably to a friend I had who was not on the spectrum and who was a star swimmer/ trumpet player. Instead of doing that it would have been helpful for her to explain or at least appreciate the true nature/extent of what I have in terms of organization,planning, academic struggles etc. Getting me to focus on them and address them instead of saying "Oh I wish youd be like this person."


I was just reading what you posted and thinking, "Man, what a jerk thing to say..." but then I had a sudden thought.

My toddler and I are both NTs. We just got back from the pool where we were having a good ol' NT time with other NTs. Well, there was a person with Downs there, but it was mostly other NTs. So anyway, my son is just learning about pools and swimming and I'm low key hydrophobic. I kept telling him to look at other kids swimming to see how they were doing it. I was saying this within earshot of the kids, who would puff up proudly and swim with even more vigor to prove to my little boy how great they were at swimming.

Maybe this "look at so and so doing such and such" is an unconscious NT learning technique and some of us are oblivious to how uncomfortable it makes some people.



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04 Jan 2017, 3:32 pm

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My parents like to use me as a trophy to show off to their family/friends etc. Because of this, they didn't want to accept that I could have ASD (I'm currently unassessed), because that would mean that I'm not good enough, or something. I was kept down in preschool for lack of social skills, and lack of motor skills. They are both medical professionals, and understand the presentation of ASD, but have been firmly in denial for years. To make their denial work, they have blamed all my ASD behaviours on character flaws (e.g. I don't talk to people because I'm arrogant, I don't offer comfort and love because I'm heartless, I don't understand social interaction because I'm acting stupid or being lazy etc.), and berate and punish me for these flaws. When I told my mother 5 years ago that I have difficulty understanding people and functioning normally, she yelled at me, saying that I'm 'not like that.' My teachers aren't really worried, because I do very well academically. I have never had support, because my parents are too comfortable in their denial to think that I might need help.

I have a younger sibling, and they have recently taken to calling me 'stupid', 'idiot', 'ret*d' etc., and continually assert that I must have 'some kind of problem'. My parents mostly ignore it.

When I confronted my parents about their treatment of me a fortnight ago, they said that they suspected I could have ASD for years, but did nothing. My mother denies that I spoke to her 5 years ago, when she yelled at me for saying that I am struggling and need help.


Hey man.

In a way your story sounds similar to mine, especially with the denial. So I'll try to help out.

Sit your parents down, tell them you want to talk about something important.
Beforehand you might want to practice your story so you won't skip over an important point, or end up getting stuck/forgetting what you were trying to say.

Don't be afraid to let your emotions out. It wasn't until I was literally sobbing uncontrollably that my mom somewhat realized that she had been doing me wrong for all those years.

You might not realize this but things like this could be clogging up your mind and affecting your abilities in ways you don't realize. Ever since I have opened up about these things I have noticed improvements in my life and in the clarity of my thinking.


As I mentioned previously, I did confront my parents about parts of their treatment of me. Much of it I left out, because I don't trust them enough to tell them most important things. They did agree to have me assessed, but I don't think they've done anything about that yet. Hopefully, I will be able to move out in about a year (when I go to university), so I won't need to worry about living with them anymore. I am also looking to talk with a school counsellor in the meantime.


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04 Jan 2017, 3:39 pm

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Aspertastic424 wrote:
She would often compare me unfavorably to a friend I had who was not on the spectrum and who was a star swimmer/ trumpet player. Instead of doing that it would have been helpful for her to explain or at least appreciate the true nature/extent of what I have in terms of organization,planning, academic struggles etc. Getting me to focus on them and address them instead of saying "Oh I wish youd be like this person."


I was just reading what you posted and thinking, "Man, what a jerk thing to say..." but then I had a sudden thought.

My toddler and I are both NTs. We just got back from the pool where we were having a good ol' NT time with other NTs. Well, there was a person with Downs there, but it was mostly other NTs. So anyway, my son is just learning about pools and swimming and I'm low key hydrophobic. I kept telling him to look at other kids swimming to see how they were doing it. I was saying this within earshot of the kids, who would puff up proudly and swim with even more vigor to prove to my little boy how great they were at swimming.

Maybe this "look at so and so doing such and such" is an unconscious NT learning technique and some of us are oblivious to how uncomfortable it makes some people.


I believe you mean that you are low key aquaphobic? Hydrophobia is intense and irrational fear of water associated with Rabies. Aquaphobia is not associated with Rabies.


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04 Jan 2017, 4:23 pm

Like you, my older brother abused me emotionally and physically, (For example, he would punch my arms and legs and ask if it hurt and if I said yes, he would tell me he was going to call the hospital and they would cut my arms and legs off) but he also protected me when I was little from potential bullies. I learned to protect myself eventually because my mother would often ignore my pleas for help though we would often get the belt, wooden spoon and things of that nature when bad. I learned to be reserved at a young age because my father would melt down and it frightened me. We didn't receive much affection like hugs and kisses, mostly discipline. My mother didn't help me or push me to do better or have much to do with me about schooling in general. She has the same learning problems I do (Dyslexia, Dyscalculia) so I guess she understood having trouble with school. I've had to try to overcome my difficulties on my own throughout my life.


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04 Jan 2017, 11:38 pm

Datguy wrote:
Hey there!

I just wanted to post something about feelings from the past that I have been processing.

I have been fighting my depression and addiction for a while and have been pretty successful at it. This has given me an opportunity to reflect on myself with a much clearer mind, and I have gotten to the source of my depression and need for addiction.

My mother, whom I love, has been very emotionally neglectful towards me in the past.
While growing up I used to share my room with my brother, who would bully me EVERY SINGLE DAY.
My mother was the only person who could really do something about this, and I would talk to her about it on an almost daily basis, basically pleading for her help. To no avail.
I just want to make clear that my brother almost never bullied me physically, more emotionally and mentally.

But that is not were it ends.
I have always attended normal schools. When it was time for me to go to highschool we had decided that I would go to a normal school. I completely agreed with this decision as it would fit me best.
However I did not fit well at the school were I ended up. My year had quite allot of bullies and I had to make myself pretty much invisible just in order not to become a target. I was actually quite succesfull at this and managed to somewhat avoid bullying. I was bullied, just not as much as could have been.
However I never felt good at school. So I also tried to talk about these things, again to no avail.
I was pretty much always ignored when I brought these things up. In fact my mom would put on something that I like to call "the stupid b***h routine".

One of the main problems was that she was kinda literally "in love" with my school. They were helpful financially and she had a good experience with most of the staff. She had kind of put up a wall that was impossible for me to penetrate.

This is in large part due to me often just not having the energy to tackle these things with full force.
EVERY DAY I would be sent to school that I hated, just to come home to a room which I had to share with a bully.
It wasn't until my brother moved out when I was 18 that I actually had a place were I could line up my thoughts and feelings. But at that time I was already with my head several miles deep into depression and had already been smoking weed at school for a year.

The most ridiculous thing about this is that now my mom vehemently denies that I ever talked about these things, which is complete garbage because I have talked about it literally all my life!

Because very recently my life had taken a very bad turn I have finally managed to have an "actual" conversation with her about these things. A real conversation, and not a conversation were she just throws snarky remarks at me until she shuts me up.

In order to put these things behind me, I need her to apologize to me for this.

And I think it will actually happen.

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Sorry that it's such a long text, I just had to get it off my chest. If you have similar experiences please share them!


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Neglect is a VERY powerful form of damage, and in concert with constant abuse can very easily create C-PTSD and other dysfunction.

It is a very difficult process to try to recover from Neglect. You have suffered terribly, I hope u can find some peace.

Btw, all of these f*****g parents deny everything and your Mom ALWAYS will, trust me.



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05 Jan 2017, 12:37 am

SocOfAutism wrote:
Sometimes you need to accept that your family are jerks. Usually people do not apologize. Everyone is the hero in their own private adventure. It's rare that anything you say will make them realize they were wrong and give a sincere apology. You might get an insincere one, but either immediately or eventually you'll see through it and feel just as sh*tty about it as you do now.


Unfortunately, as SocOfAutism has said, the apology you want may never come. I speak from experience. My mother was emotionally neglectful in damaging ways and remains in denial about it. She either pretends it didn't happen or blames my father for poisoning me against her. When I try to discuss what happened she takes it as a personal attack. She did apologise once, but it didn't mean anything because her difficult behaviour continued and I felt emotionally drained most times I had to interact with her.

I realised about six years ago that I can't fix my mother, my mother was unlikely to fix herself and I was therefore never going to get the mother-daughter relationship I'd always longed for. In my case, due to the continuing difficulties and the low likelihood this would ever change, I reduced contact with her to the point where I only send her cards for birthdays, Christmas and Mother's Day and take her occasional phone calls if I'm up to it. I mourned for what I didn't have and am now attempting to make a more positive life. It's a slow process but I finally feel like the future is going to be a good place.

Now, all I know about your family is what you've written here, so you'll need to judge what's appropriate for your own situation. The main reason for telling you this story is because I don't want you to spend years of your life waiting for an apology that may never come. You need to find a way to move on that doesn't rely on your mother. This sort of stuff is really hard to process on your own for many reasons. Do you have a therapist you can discuss this with? If not, it's a really good idea to find one that understands childhood emotional neglect.