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17 Feb 2018, 9:51 pm

This half hour interview with Iain McGilchrist delivered some real goods for me. I'd never quite heard of the right brain's functioning in this regard (his book Master and Emissary) but it answers quite a few of my own questions about things I've experienced through the years.


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19 Feb 2018, 3:55 am

Question: Is Iain McGilchrist a theist?


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19 Feb 2018, 7:46 am

Don't know.

From the way he was playing with pantheistic metaphors I'd guess not but I suppose with a deep enough thinker it can be tough to tell how they'd identify.


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19 Feb 2018, 8:40 am

Sounds interesting, but I don't have a spare 30 minutes at the moment.


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19 Feb 2018, 9:20 pm

Perhaps one note of my own skepticism I might raise as I think about it...

I really try think back across the last five years, or farther, for consistency in character or persona in my mystical experiences. They've tended to be of several characters - divinely feminine and infinitely loving on one side, apocalyptically aimed to another end (where I see the absolute worst truths about reality in panoramic soul-shattering detail), and at other times analyzing the world I live in and showing me all the dynamics surrounding me as if they could be retracted into a mandala.

What happens to his theory of right brain as master if, when asked it's name, it says 'Legion - for we are many?'. At that point it wouldn't be a master but rather something more like I'd have to adapt from Aldus Huxley's reducing valve, ie. that it's a hard-nosed secretary furiously keeping diverse influences at bay which come in as signals from diverse sources, whether direct but subliminal sensory sources or whether they're something like rhythms or colors in noise. At that point you'd never see one consistent identity, you'd just see the visitors that either passed your secretary's hoops, paperwork, Sphinx riddles, or just charged past her outright.

Maybe someone whose read the book might be able to point out to me where I could be arguing the difference between six and half a dozen, but still - its tough to disband the notion that self-conscious awareness would be in the master seat and if we, as we experience ourselves through the left hemisphere more predominantly, are just agents reacting to impulses then it's more likely that there's no master to be found in our system and the closest approximation to that might be whatever we can cobble together in the frontal lobe.


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20 Feb 2018, 2:36 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t46PATzRm_0

Hmm, Father(Mother) as Master as Right Hemisphere 'versus' Emissary as
Son as Left Hemisphere attempting to control the Father(Mother) in terms
of inhibiting 'God' out of the way to make Life Order as a Systemizing
Science Leaving 'God' as another three Letter Word of 'Art' out
of what can be a much Greater Rising Holy Creative Sacred
Full of Meaning and Purpose Spirit of Rebirth once the
Father(Mother) and Song Shake
Hands as it were
and still is
by means
of more An open
Corpus callosum
and Frontal Lobes as Referee
that looses Inhibition and allows
the Father(Mother) and Son now/then
to Dance and Sing Free wHere a Rebirth
of Human out of the Ashes of before come still now
Becoming And a Phoenix reNeWed aNew rises as a New Entity
NoW of Reason and Art that and who does more than ever before;
not unlike a Butterfly and Cocoon analogy of what was before and
comes again to be. It's true, while some folks call 'God' a Three Letter Word;
God is more like a FLoWeR with Thorns that continues a Rise as Rebirth as Rose;
Becoming all that is still Blooming Now Anew; Granted, this may be difficult for most folks
to understand, if they
haven't been reborn
NoW all organic
and whole
again; More specifically,
thank you very much for sharing
this for it surely brings some 'Left Brained'
Systemizing Science in to explain why all of the
sudden in the Summer of 2013 my AQ Scan for Autism
went form 44/45 to 11 and my Emotional Quotient Test
went from the mid 50's to the mid 90's and no longer was I
Dr. Jekyll and or Clark Kent or and Bruce Wayne for it's true, i surely
wasn't Supernatural, just Supernormal from what i was before; For no longer
was just God a Word 'out there' As A Kingdom of So-Called Heaven was and is born
again within. Pretty Cool, to have a Video that explains this in Systemizing ways. And
of course, if I can't find anyone around these Red State Parts to understand it; I can always
refer them to symbols of Yin and Yang or the more mystical 'Supernormal' Reborn Kingdom
of Heaven Within speak of 'A New Testament'; but of course, most ironically they too are often
not much different than Militant Atheists for even if their Standard IQ in Verbal Language Stellar
Numbers may not equal that of Jordan Peterson; they still aren't getting the Bigger 'Master' Photo
of existence with how this metaphor of the Right Hemisphere is being used as Semantic Tool of
understanding
in this Video.
Bottomlines is this;
this Video provides
the Systemizing Science
talk that explains how Reborn
happens to Human as Metaphor
and how stellar additional Human
Potential comes in a synergy of improvement
that has much greater measure that what Standard Measures
of IQ, now brings alone. There are practically endless potential
Mythologies and other Bibles and Science Metaphors that can and
will relate this just as well as Yin and Yang surely does from Centuries
ago; but sadly, what it leaves out most is not just to speak to dance and song
but to actually just do it again as our ancestors did long before we became trapped
away from the Becoming with God as is in rarified abstract constructs that are now words
away from
becoming
more with
Master
and Emissary
coming together
and Holding Hands
in Neo-Cortical and
Corpus callosum disinhibiting
Dance and Song Way where the Music
of us that comes next within as a Kingdom
come As Holy Spirit of Co-Creativity NoW as Relative
Free Will greater does works of art and science never
even
imagined
before as
Supernormal comes
to town and does greater
works than ever before too, as more
Humans evolve NoW Holding Hands around
the Earth in a new Synergy more of an Experiment
of being coming to fruition as whole around the globe.
My Short Version of this that I've been expressing since my
real experience of getting this metaphor of born again in the
Kingdom of Heaven done is two 1's as Alpha Numerical K11 coming
together as H where the two Hemispheres as metaphors of Brain hold
Hands together as we as 8 part of that Alpha-Numerical Standing tall figure H8
Beyond Infinity Part comes into being as one with God as metaphor for Greater
Loving Unconditional Fearless Force within as far as illusory fears go that most
'normal' people are consumed with these days. Things are, Word Speak or even just
Song speak is not enough to achieve this for as usual the Head Speakers leave out
the Longitudinal Head to Toe Part of this Latitudinal Dance in Terms of the Middle
Part as Balance of H and 8; For true, our mind is not just between our ears; it Flows
as FLoWeR from Head to toe too. And true too as the Earth for a Metaphor for a Globe
Brain too; sure, we as Neurons As Humans of this Brain Globe do online reach out and
hold hands now with folks around the World. Thing is too, we do it not just latitudinally
as a Dance and Song but Longitudinally now too. As above so below, inside outside
and all around that is also the Dance that goes along with the Song and Speak
that must happen on an individual basis
to make this work now too.
Once the Body Becomes
Balanced and a Bio-Feedback
of Tension goes away through
the Instinct, Skills, and Abilities that
go far beyond the Crystallized Intelligence
of Standard IQ Knowledge, Skills, and Abilities;
fear melts away, for that is a core cause of the
Inhibitions between the metaphor of left and right
Hemispheres in the first place of now within. The non-verbal
Language of this Peace and Harmony in a Dance of Yin and Yang
has been around long before any rarified constructed tools created to
keep art out of the game of systemizing science that is now the dominant
paradigm and prison As Human Existence of Cultural Clothes, overall to date.
In short, too,
Drop
the Thorns
of the Rose that
is Fear and let the
Rose Bloom with Love
and voila Kingdom Come now is Supernormal
NoW as a Heaven of Fearless and Unconditional
Love; Sure, there are obstacles like making
a living and such as that; but true, no one
I know of, has promised anyone an easy path
of thorns and crosses to bring 'this Rose' as FLoWeR
Garden alive as Heaven now real. True, it not only takes work, it
takes a Free FloWinG Music of Dance and Song of course as the
first two steps of doing it is the Dance and Song of Music one must
individually
make that
works for
them now; just now;
as it's true Roses Bring Beauty
And Thorns bring the 'evil' of pain.
Anyway, for me at least all the Blood Sweat
and Tears makes the colors of life all the Beauty
I see and hear for true I cannot even imagine Heaven
with no tears of comfort and band-aids for wounds other
wise felt as Love as Beauty True iN LiGHt our of dARk, Now.
Have a nice day.
If one has not gained
access to A 'other side' one
may have no choice yet but
to ignore what i am saying; but
as 'they' say, there is always tomorrow now
and it's true i've see both sides asone now;
the view is incredibly
forevermorenowforever
but it's true it deserves
a much longer word than
that to relate; versus a
thought as
small as
this to describe
something as large
as beyond infinity now
As Human Existence Supernormal ReaL LoVENoWFReED..:)


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20 Feb 2018, 3:24 pm

aghogday wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t46PATzRm_0

Hmm, Father(Mother) as Master as Right Hemisphere 'versus' Emissary as
Son as Left Hemisphere attempting to control the Father(Mother) in terms
of inhibiting 'God' out of the way to make Life Order as a Systemizing
Science Leaving 'God' as another three Letter Word of 'Art' out
of what can be a much Greater Rising Holy Creative Sacred
Full of Meaning and Purpose Spirit of Rebirth once the
Father(Mother) and Song Shake
Hands as it were
and still is
by means
of more An open
Corpus callosum
and Frontal Lobes as Referee
that looses Inhibition and allows
the Father(Mother) and Son now/then
to Dance and Sing Free wHere a Rebirth
of Human out of the Ashes of before come still now
Becoming And a Phoenix reNeWed aNew rises as a New Entity
NoW of Reason and Art that and who does more than ever before;
not unlike a Butterfly and Cocoon analogy of what was before and
comes again to be. It's true, while some folks call 'God' a Three Letter Word;
God is more like a FLoWeR with Thorns that continues a Rise as Rebirth as Rose;
Becoming all that is still Blooming Now Anew; Granted, this may be difficult for most folks
to understand, if they
haven't been reborn
NoW all organic
and whole
again; More specifically,
thank you very much for sharing
this for it surely brings some 'Left Brained'
Systemizing Science in to explain why all of the
sudden in the Summer of 2013 my AQ Scan for Autism
went form 44/45 to 11 and my Emotional Quotient Test
went from the mid 50's to the mid 90's and no longer was I
Dr. Jekyll and or Clark Kent or and Bruce Wayne for it's true, i surely
wasn't Supernatural, just Supernormal from what i was before; For no longer
was just God a Word 'out there' As A Kingdom of So-Called Heaven was and is born
again within. Pretty Cool, to have a Video that explains this in Systemizing ways. And
of course, if I can't find anyone around these Red State Parts to understand it; I can always
refer them to symbols of Yin and Yang or the more mystical 'Supernormal' Reborn Kingdom
of Heaven Within speak of 'A New Testament'; but of course, most ironically they too are often
not much different than Militant Atheists for even if their Standard IQ in Verbal Language Stellar
Numbers may not equal that of Jordan Peterson; they still aren't getting the Bigger 'Master' Photo
of existence with how this metaphor of the Right Hemisphere is being used as Semantic Tool of
understanding
in this Video.
Bottomlines is this;
this Video provides
the Systemizing Science
talk that explains how Reborn
happens to Human as Metaphor
and how stellar additional Human
Potential comes in a synergy of improvement
that has much greater measure that what Standard Measures
of IQ, now brings alone. There are practically endless potential
Mythologies and other Bibles and Science Metaphors that can and
will relate this just as well as Yin and Yang surely does from Centuries
ago; but sadly, what it leaves out most is not just to speak to dance and song
but to actually just do it again as our ancestors did long before we became trapped
away from the Becoming with God as is in rarified abstract constructs that are now words
away from
becoming
more with
Master
and Emissary
coming together
and Holding Hands
in Neo-Cortical and
Corpus callosum disinhibiting
Dance and Song Way where the Music
of us that comes next within as a Kingdom
come As Holy Spirit of Co-Creativity NoW as Relative
Free Will greater does works of art and science never
even
imagined
before as
Supernormal comes
to town and does greater
works than ever before too, as more
Humans evolve NoW Holding Hands around
the Earth in a new Synergy more of an Experiment
of being coming to fruition as whole around the globe.
My Short Version of this that I've been expressing since my
real experience of getting this metaphor of born again in the
Kingdom of Heaven done is two 1's as Alpha Numerical K11 coming
together as H where the two Hemispheres as metaphors of Brain hold
Hands together as we as 8 part of that Alpha-Numerical Standing tall figure H8
Beyond Infinity Part comes into being as one with God as metaphor for Greater
Loving Unconditional Fearless Force within as far as illusory fears go that most
'normal' people are consumed with these days. Things are, Word Speak or even just
Song speak is not enough to achieve this for as usual the Head Speakers leave out
the Longitudinal Head to Toe Part of this Latitudinal Dance in Terms of the Middle
Part as Balance of H and 8; For true, our mind is not just between our ears; it Flows
as FLoWeR from Head to toe too. And true too as the Earth for a Metaphor for a Globe
Brain too; sure, we as Neurons As Humans of this Brain Globe do online reach out and
hold hands now with folks around the World. Thing is too, we do it not just latitudinally
as a Dance and Song but Longitudinally now too. As above so below, inside outside
and all around that is also the Dance that goes along with the Song and Speak
that must happen on an individual basis
to make this work now too.
Once the Body Becomes
Balanced and a Bio-Feedback
of Tension goes away through
the Instinct, Skills, and Abilities that
go far beyond the Crystallized Intelligence
of Standard IQ Knowledge, Skills, and Abilities;
fear melts away, for that is a core cause of the
Inhibitions between the metaphor of left and right
Hemispheres in the first place of now within. The non-verbal
Language of this Peace and Harmony in a Dance of Yin and Yang
has been around long before any rarified constructed tools created to
keep art out of the game of systemizing science that is now the dominant
paradigm and prison As Human Existence of Cultural Clothes, overall to date.
In short, too,
Drop
the Thorns
of the Rose that
is Fear and let the
Rose Bloom with Love
and voila Kingdom Come now is Supernormal
NoW as a Heaven of Fearless and Unconditional
Love; Sure, there are obstacles like making
a living and such as that; but true, no one
I know of, has promised anyone an easy path
of thorns and crosses to bring 'this Rose' as FLoWeR
Garden alive as Heaven now real. True, it not only takes work, it
takes a Free FloWinG Music of Dance and Song of course as the
first two steps of doing it is the Dance and Song of Music one must
individually
make that
works for
them now; just now;
as it's true Roses Bring Beauty
And Thorns bring the 'evil' of pain.
Anyway, for me at least all the Blood Sweat
and Tears makes the colors of life all the Beauty
I see and hear for true I cannot even imagine Heaven
with no tears of comfort and band-aids for wounds other
wise felt as Love as Beauty True iN LiGHt our of dARk, Now.
Have a nice day.
If one has not gained
access to A 'other side' one
may have no choice yet but
to ignore what i am saying; but
as 'they' say, there is always tomorrow now
and it's true i've see both sides asone now;
the view is incredibly
forevermorenowforever
but it's true it deserves
a much longer word than
that to relate; versus a
thought as
small as
this to describe
something as large
as beyond infinity now
As Human Existence Supernormal ReaL LoVENoWFReED..:)


Bottom line:
"God" is the result of a man-made intellectual construct as a result of the brain becoming more sophisticated through the evolutionary process...

"God did not make man...
Man made god..."
Simples... :mrgreen:


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20 Feb 2018, 4:36 pm

Pepe wrote:
aghogday wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t46PATzRm_0

*the rest of the quote snipped to reserve head space..;)
As Human Existence Supernormal ReaL LoVENoWFReED..:)


Bottom line:
"God" is the result of a man-made intellectual construct as a result of the brain becoming more sophisticated through the evolutionary process...

"God did not make man...
Man made god..."
Simples... :mrgreen:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-MdiUm1_Y

No doubt @ALL that Man made God;
SMiLes, in terms of a three letter
rarified abstract construct, yes;
in terms of the rest of reality;
that obviously is above all Human Pay Grades.
True though; we can and will study the locality of
all we come to feel and sense as Humans and with
the tools, we additionally create. As far as Science goes,
even Neil deGrasse Tyson as Current Stellar Rock Star as
American Astrophysicist,
Does Readily admit that the
Human InnerUniVerse is much
more complicated than what Science
attempts to measure of the outer Universe
in Material Reductionists ways of a 5 step
method or whatever the State of Science may come to
be as Scientific Method, overall, at this point potentially
evolving to an even better tool in the future that may then
come to Human Hands; if, we don't blow the whole place up in ignorance first.
Imagine, what a species smArter than a 'Trump Society' will do; it's not hard for
me to imagine a little more; for i've been to 'the other place' and come to a 'larger one now'.
The Word God and 'all' the Words about a Word God is about as Antiquated as what still
comes to be as a 'Trump Society', now. I prefer the Word ALL and becoming now is
a nice additive for the entire soup of now still becoming, now too. But
just because the old 'Trump Society', ain't got a clue of more about
ALL or even science too for those refusing to entertain newer
methods of measuring more than material reductionism now;
'they all' are holding Fearless Loving Progress back; but true
that/this is the
state of the art
and science
for now, as is.
Considering that Neil
can't rule out all of our reality
now as a Big Hologram, says a
whole lot about what the state of
what we don't 'know' about 'All' is now.
Anyway, My Head is not filled up with 'stuff'
yet; and i'm ready to lEarn more with an open
mind/body that/who rejects no potential of what is 'left behind' now less;
with additional smiles of yes, according to your signature line you are too..:)

The first clue that 'THE Old God' is antiquated in Abrahamic Literal
takes on religion of 'the god' is that it's 'the He' that's only half of us anyway; HeheR;
But it's also true, there are more Mystical less literal takes on even Abrahamic Religions that
don't
see God
As Having (as far as animus and
anima goes) just a 'PeNiS' to exist as is;
as even the very educated folks in 'this'
Presented Video, particularly, Iain McGilchrist,
better relate too and it's true folks who present
uptight Body Language as Peterson does in this Video
still with a voice that relates an overall existence of pent
up tension that has yet to drop on a Football Field, or whatever;
hasn't quite fully moved over, it seems, into the 'right brain' side now; for it's true it's a built
in reality as this video does nicely portray, for those who don't get to come in to 'Heaven'
Fully NoW
until
one
Drops
A 'Camel of Fear';
for it's true in terms
of Neo-Cortex Frontal
Lobes too there is a huge
Camel that is Generated by
all the Inhibitions generated in
that eye of the Needle in the front part of our head (Corpus Callosum too);
It's true, when i came into 'Heaven' my voice dropped several octaves too for real.
Generally, speaking, overall, as even science shows; Higher Functioning Autism
in general as a spectrum, is often related to issues of even actual organic
problems with the right Hemisphere of Brain; including scarring of Brain
tissue and the such as that as Non-Verbal Language Disorder is
inherent as co-morbid in around 50 Percent of cases but
it is true too, in terms of Epigenetics and Neuroplasticity
and being 'reborn' again as metaphor for substantial
and sudden Human Change. Use it or lose it
is applicable to all stuff life; as we can
re-wire positive or negative
Neuroplasticity, too,
depending
on the circumstances
of the environment and
what we do or do not do as a practice of life.
As far as the innate and instinctual and intuitive
just Physical Intelligences and Emotional and Existential
Intelligences that have increased with me since, July of 2013;
these intelligences are incredibly more important to overall existence
than the 19 Years of School and three College Degrees and 33 years then,
overall, of pay for work back then. In fact, and form and function in my life.
Most of that was/is just an obstacle to reaching even 1 percent of the Human
Potential that was just waiting for the proper environmental stimulus of practicing
life that would really work next. It's amazing; really amazing to just get a grade
school real education in the art of movement alone. Even with 8800 Miles of a
Public Free Dance Mix of Martial arts and Ballet Style Movement; that's only
about 2200 hours of doing that before i can even say i've done
10,000 hours of what 'they' usually say it takes to really
become a Master of any human art/skill. So much
to do. So much fun when free my friend.
It doesn't matter so much of what
is for what we do
that's
real.
In other words;
God exists as is
as far as two letter words do go as is.
The fact that we can and will do more
than ever imagined before. Well; that's
the real magic of life now that really
counts now
together
with Love
Fearless that
i see as real; the
rest of it is just salad
dressing of words and stuff like that;
For it's true if Birds and Monkeys had thousands of words and talked
to each other too trying to determine what 'God' is or not too much; they might fall out
of the sky and trees more regularly for Nature Deficit Disorder too; hehe, away from
"All'
of their Natural built in
Potential More now for real.
My take on the Video is if reality
is Music and Dance and Song; God
is F88KinG Rock and Roll. overall, so Party
on Baby; that's what i do most in Dance and Song;
Led Zeppelin as a Band-Aid are among the Greatest Modern Prophets, i do now know, too.
*(searches for Kashmir next, to go along with 'revealing all'; and such as that with a gentle
'race' of beings, now, including you with smiles); Have a nice Day for it is true i Do Love Rock and Roll too..;)


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20 Feb 2018, 8:03 pm

aghogday wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-MdiUm1_Y

No doubt @ALL that Man made God;

Richard Dawkins in his book: "The Selfish Gene" also suggested we are merely dispensible tools for the mindless reproduction of genes...
You are suggesting, I believe, that there may be some method to the madness down the line...
I can't see that myself...

Why would there be "scarring" to the right hemisphere in some who are on the spectrum?
"Scarring" to me suggests that trauma of some sort is first required...

Here is something that I enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3q8Od5qJio

Though the alt. right embrace this song, it is actually *anti-fascist* if you analyse the lyrics...
An exquisite irony...<chuckle>


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21 Feb 2018, 9:09 am

Pepe wrote:
aghogday wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-MdiUm1_Y

No doubt @ALL that Man made God;

Richard Dawkins in his book: "The Selfish Gene" also suggested we are merely dispensible tools for the mindless reproduction of genes...
You are suggesting, I believe, that there may be some method to the madness down the line...
I can't see that myself...

Why would there be "scarring" to the right hemisphere in some who are on the spectrum?
"Scarring" to me suggests that trauma of some sort is first required...

Here is something that I enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3q8Od5qJio

Though the alt. right embrace this song, it is actually *anti-fascist* if you analyse the lyrics...
An exquisite irony...<chuckle>


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wtfhZwyrcc

Ha! Dispensable tools for the mindless reproduction of Genes; not surprising coming from a
‘Human’; yes, Richard Dawkins whose advice to a Woman Pregnant with a Down’s Child was
to Abort because the Child had no societal value that Dawkins could ‘conjure’ up.
True, in that case, obviously, Dawkins is missing a vital aspect of life; or
better put, perhaps the value of what one smile can and will do
or even a Thank you; and yes of course a Kiss my Butt
in the converse of that in changing someone’s
life on another path that can and will
potentially even save their
life for a positive attitude as
Science does show now when two
folks come together in loving kindness it is
yes; it is possible for remission of incurable disease;
filed away in the we cannot explain files of Medical Histories, still.
I recently came across a Down’s Child who went on to thrill audiences
as an Actual Female Model in Adulthood; so true, Dawkins doesn’t ‘know’
everything; the problems these days with specialization for true, specialization
can literally kill too with the opposite effect of the Nocebo one away from Placebo
in the power of positivity and belief or even the prayer thingie now when two or more
folks come together in healing hands away from the real force of the Nocebo effect that
yes, can result in a greater chance for illness and overall bad thoughts leading to bad actions
as powered by the Force of Negative Emotions too. In other words, we do have potential relative
free will to master our emotions and integrate our senses; if actually finding a practice of a dance/
song in balance from head to toe that works. As Far as if the Universe cares or not; well, according
to Science these days, we are the Universe standing and walking tall with a Force of Love and Hope that
is real and healing and proven by science as Faith that trusts with much greater self-esteem and associated
Healing Neurohormones and Neurochemicals as opposed to the Stress associated Cortisol stuff that breaks
down the Body from head to toe when chronic to acute over the course of a lifetime, too. In other words, we
are the ones that and who are the co-creators of what our life is now; For those who believe that it is all
just a Negative Random soup; voila, the real science assessed impact of the Nocebo effect comes next;
same as voodoo, except this real and potentially deadly too per a shorter life or one of much greater
suffering and misery, next. Smiles, my friend; i’ve traveled through a whole lot of thorns to get to
this rose now; but it’s true as documented it’s worked for 55 months now; My method
of Mastering my emotions and integrating my senses is a free dance/song proven to
work. After enough practice, it becomes like driving a car as Happiness
in bliss and nirvana becomes an automatic transmission of
relative free will now. It’s really amazing that it’s like
my entire being is an automatic transmission
of Love. No, it’s not what the church folks
call some magic recitation, one
reads off a wet pamphlet
distributed by
the local
vocals in the
Bathrooms around town.
It’s a Dance and Song of Life
as Light in positivity of Karmic
Song and Dance that is a religion of my
entire life for me. No instructions, my friend;
no doctor could help me or offer me any chance
for recovery or any drugs that would help me for that pain
and numb that i endured for 66 months like someone drilling my
teeth without novocaine from wake to sleep, except for me it was in
my right eye and ear for the duration of all that human cLock time. It’s
true, not everyone establishes a mastery of relative free will. But they do;
as the Yogi’s ‘up in the Mountains’ have been tested and found to do the same
stuff I do in effect of not only mastering emotions and integrating senses but yes,
steaming heat off of icy cold robes in icy water too and mastering brain waves, additionally
as i currently easily do somewhere ‘tween alpha and theta as i write 10,000 words some days.
Additionally, a state of mind when i dance solo amongst Hundreds of folks 37 to 40 years my Junior;
same as the leg presses of 1020Lbs, 52 reps; 300 or 400 Lbs more on that exercise than anyone the
same ages younger too. It’s not that i’m bragging; i’m just proving that there is a human potential much
higher that human beings possess for relative free will that some folks think is non-sense and is impossible
to exist. When I document it in living color; voila, the proof is here. Again, it’s not super natural; it’s even better
than that for it’s super-normal and just human potential that has been forgotten and lost in the confines of
cultural clothes down to every word that says can’t or life s88ks or it is a b88ch, instead of a Beach.
I don’t know, if you’ve ever walked down a solitary beach without human footprints and
just felt/sensed bliss forevernow
as nirvana
for perhaps
just an instant
that feels better
than an orgasm;
but you see i have
that at essence as
a way of life; thing is;
it’s a river that flows that
never gets boring or out of date.
i am the UniVerse and so is everything
else; separation is the illusion as well as the
meaningless purposeless unholy and un-sacred
sh88t house others see as all of life. I Understand that
for as KraftieKortie stated in another thread he wishes
he could experience the so-called spiritual; well here’s the thing;
now; the so-called spiritual is not a word in a book or an entire bible
or all 12 Million Words, i’ve written in 2642 consecutive days to date, now.
The Spiritual is a feel and sense of life higher in mindful and body awareness
from head to toe and yes more than can possibly be described in any human words now.
But again, i’ve spent years
away from that in
the other
place
similar to
now where
Kraftiekortie
is spending his life now;
as most other people are spending
it now so far away in truly a ‘Wrong Planet’
of potential as i did for years as well. It’s not about
who is right or wrong about this; it’s all about the UniVerse
caring about the rest of the UniVerse as Love will Naturally do when real.
So really; what’s in it for me; nothing at all but love that is everything all now;
Effortless
as a random
feather that and
who enjoys a float of life
fearless and free in a place with
no distance space or time now; just now.
It’s true, in the other place, I would gave given
all the material stuff i had just to spend 5 minutes ‘here’.
True, too, I likely wouldn’t wanna live after that like I lived before
either; but once one has this perspective; it’s true, there just isn’t anything
like it but the
next
step
up;
anyway that should
finish out the Kashmir
song; and I enjoyed the
Shadow Sound of the Song you
shared for it’s true i am neither afraid
of the dark or cynical of the light i am every day, my friend.
And it’s true, discordant music at low frequencies is great to awaken
the shadow a little more for a little more force to get a job done. Whatever
works my friend; Whatever works. i can’t imagine anyone not wanting to experience
Heaven now. True fact; those who go to church ‘normally’ are the last folks to get ‘here’ if
ever in one life; Simple reason; they eat the illusory promise of a carrot as heaven after a dirt
nap and fear the illusory stick of Hell after death too. The price of a ‘Roman Empire’ that is still
expanding under priestly colors and derivatives of Protesting Pastors too. Seriously; why the F
does the Universe
have to ask for
help to
just
inherit
‘the’ gift.
True, Words get in the way.
It’s more likely that an Atheist
will find Heaven now these days
than most of the Christians i run
across in a place that’s mostly all
fear and hate and lies that and who leads to all of that too.
It’s all just labels and semantics; what’s real is what feels and senses
as us
or
not;
top of the
way of being
or not, my friend;
i suppose, i could have
said we are the ones who
make or break the Holy and
Sacred Full of Meaning and Purposes
of life; but that would have been too much
like a Roman’s 10:9 in a Pamphlet to raise tax free bucks.
As Joanie Mitchell’s as far as ‘tax free’ goes; i’ll go to the bar where
the punks and yes atheists and yes drag queens go; most of them live
in a place
of love
far far
away from
those ‘church
places; of exclusion
of yes; fear and hate;
so far now the one i
go to is complying with
my written e-mail wishes
for change when they go to
the place of fear and hate; when/if
they decide not too; just more hours
at the beach or a dance somewhere else for me;
Nature is my best church and a dance and song is my religion.
The difference in me is; i practice it 365 days from wake to sleep; a little zealous
i am but per the words of Kashmir; now the Co-Navigator is seamlessly me too;
And it’s dam sure better than being in a place of hell on earth in pain and numb
for 66 months
without respite.
Pain; made be
a believer my friend;
And sure, i’ll put Kashmir
on Pause for there is a song just for that too.
Oh yeah; scarring in the right Hemisphere of the
Brain isn’t caused by Autism; it is a co-morbid condition
associated with it; not a good idea to knock heads either;
sMiLes; per
‘the other
SonG’, too..;)


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21 Feb 2018, 9:55 pm

aghogday wrote:
Smiles, my friend; i’ve traveled through a whole lot of thorns to get to
this rose now; but it’s true as documented it’s worked for 55 months now; My method
of Mastering my emotions and integrating my senses is a free dance/song proven to
work. After enough practice, it becomes like driving a car as Happiness
in bliss and nirvana becomes an automatic transmission of
relative free will now.


Whatever you did...
However you approached life's difficulties...
Your way worked for you...
But would you deny me my own methodology in overcoming my own unique circumstances in life?

For me, it was only after I engaged my inherent ability...my gift...in reasoning that I managed to crawl out of the deep, dark pit of despair I found my self in...

Manipulation, intimidation and actual physical violence didn't change my circumstances...
It was education, self discovery and self development which allowed me to progress to a degree where I overcame my dissociative dissorder and profound ignorance and found myself, despite the destablising effect of the environment...
My embracing rationality allowed me to achieve greater self-actualisation when other more irrational paths did not...

I used to be a committed Christian...
I have always maintained that I indeed should have been "committed" during that period of cognitive madness... :mrgreen:
Rationality was my saviour...
Not a man-made social meme...

aghogday wrote:
Smiles, my friend; i’ve traveled through a whole lot of thorns to get to
this rose now;

And so have I, my friend, travelled through ignorance, confusion, dissociation, manipulation and intimidation to reach my sensible, emotionally balanced rational existence...

Friend, we all have our unique path to the mountaintop with its miriad of specifity...
What is right and good for one is not necessarily good for another...
There are many paths to functionality, if not enlightenment...
But it is not for you nor I to intude if our guidance is not wanted nor needed...

aghogday wrote:
It’s not that i’m bragging; i’m just proving that there is a human potential much
higher that human beings possess for relative free will that some folks think is non-sense and is impossible
to exist.


I respectfully disagree...
Whatever "man" can achieve is achievable regardless of the limited observation of those who are less enlightened...
"Mankind" can do remarkable things, but these accomplishments should not be disrespected/diminished/tarnished by a false placebo god...

Whatever you achieved it was through your own perseverance and innate abilities using the human tools at your disposal...
You have won against great odds...
*You* did...and not by using some man made god construct...unless it was simply an intellectual placebo, which then negates the mystical...

aghogday wrote:
When I document it in living color; voila, the proof is here. Again, it’s not super natural; it’s even better
than that for it’s super-normal and just human potential that has been forgotten and lost in the confines of
cultural clothes


Indeed, we are on the same page here...errr...I think... :mrgreen:
But what you say here seems to be in conflict with what you have said above...
Could you clarify here:
Do you or do you not believe that our full potential requires embracing an actual, not a conceptual, god?

What is it?
Spits or swallows? :mrgreen:


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You have been weighed...you have been measured...and you have been found wanking...:P
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21 Feb 2018, 11:53 pm

Pepe wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Smiles, my friend; i’ve traveled through a whole lot of thorns to get to
this rose now; but it’s true as documented it’s worked for 55 months now; My method
of Mastering my emotions and integrating my senses is a free dance/song proven to
work. After enough practice, it becomes like driving a car as Happiness
in bliss and nirvana becomes an automatic transmission of
relative free will now.


Whatever you did...
However you approached life's difficulties...
Your way worked for you...
But would you deny me my own methodology in overcoming my own unique circumstances in life?

For me, it was only after I engaged my inherent ability...my gift...in reasoning that I managed to crawl out of the deep, dark pit of despair I found my self in...

Manipulation, intimidation and actual physical violence didn't change my circumstances...
It was education, self discovery and self development which allowed me to progress to a degree where I overcame my dissociative dissorder and profound ignorance and found myself, despite the destablising effect of the environment...
My embracing rationality allowed me to achieve greater self-actualisation when other more irrational paths did not...

I used to be a committed Christian...
I have always maintained that I indeed should have been "committed" during that period of cognitive madness... :mrgreen:
Rationality was my saviour...
Not a man-made social meme...

aghogday wrote:
Smiles, my friend; i’ve traveled through a whole lot of thorns to get to
this rose now;

And so have I, my friend, travelled through ignorance, confusion, dissociation, manipulation and intimidation to reach my sensible, emotionally balanced rational existence...

Friend, we all have our unique path to the mountaintop with its miriad of specifity...
What is right and good for one is not necessarily good for another...
There are many paths to functionality, if not enlightenment...
But it is not for you nor I to intude if our guidance is not wanted nor needed...

aghogday wrote:
It’s not that i’m bragging; i’m just proving that there is a human potential much
higher that human beings possess for relative free will that some folks think is non-sense and is impossible
to exist.


I respectfully disagree...
Whatever "man" can achieve is achievable regardless of the limited observation of those who are less enlightened...
"Mankind" can do remarkable things, but these accomplishments should not be disrespected/diminished/tarnished by a false placebo god...

Whatever you achieved it was through your own perseverance and innate abilities using the human tools at your disposal...
You have won against great odds...
*You* did...and not by using some man made god construct...unless it was simply an intellectual placebo, which then negates the mystical...

aghogday wrote:
When I document it in living color; voila, the proof is here. Again, it’s not super natural; it’s even better
than that for it’s super-normal and just human potential that has been forgotten and lost in the confines of
cultural clothes


Indeed, we are on the same page here...errr...I think... :mrgreen:
But what you say here seems to be in conflict with what you have said above...
Could you clarify here:
Do you or do you not believe that our full potential requires embracing an actual, not a conceptual, god?

What is it?
Spits or swallows? :mrgreen:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yupPvZF6oBw

In no place on this entire Internet site have I ever suggested I believe in anything Supernatural.
Supernormal is my thingy; and I'm not here to suggest anyone do anything they do not want to, to help
themselves. Like I said, in the other thread; this is just a Hobby for me; and I've made it clear that Love is Literally
my God and Nature is my Church and Dance and Song is my Religion. Now, it's true some of us now see and hear
and overall sense and feel and do more and less than others; but as i've also said, a grain sand is no less integral
to all that is than any thing else. The Placebo, as Science shows is an Emotional and Sensory Force of Being in words
as forms as they come as symbols for the essence of belief that is at essence a Neuro-chemical and Neuro-hormonal
healer that not all folks can employ to heal themselves, naturally. And in the converse as Science shows, not all folks
fall as low as prey subject to the Nocebo effect, either. Overall, Fear is a common denominator that mosts folks these
days struggle with; mostly a static of Chronic Anxiety that accumulates as poison over the course of life that many
folks have difficultly escaping through the 'normal' day. Fear, is basically the killer of good stuff of life. Eastern
Philosophies have used Martial related movement arts as a bio-feed back from head to toe for balance
to eliminate all tension to eliminate fear as the Body remembers how to do a real balance of peace
and harmony as our emotions and sensory tensions do flow from head to toe, in balance or out
of order. That's what's missing most over here in our Western Societies; increasingly, a problem
as folks move less and less fixated on screens in a Nature Deficit Disorder that
is not diagnosable as such; but never the less, a part of Nature that humans
pay for out of balance with the price of ever expanding anxiety in life.
Thing is, it doesn't pay bucks to move in balance as left foot and right
foot becoming one in a Free Dance of Life. In my opinion, it
would be helpful for many folks if it was inherently as
important an activity as actually eating and
sure, having sex; but it's true sex helps
out in the Balance of all of this too.
Not to say it's everyone's
cup of Lipton tea,
for it is most definitely
not for some folks care not to do
most anything that feels like work if they
are not getting paid for it now or particularly
hehe; if it's done in a way that's free and not according
to the guidelines of some pre-planned book. Anyway; as Eastern
Philosophies, among Yogi-Like folks like me who live up in Mountains;
Science does prove it works. It's not easy to come down from the Mountain
and maintain this calm eye of the Hurricane and Winds that rarely cease prematurely
in a dance hall crowded with Several Hundred folks; but yes that happens too, albeit rarely as such.
I don't expect anyone now to do what
i do; in fact no one amongst the 300
or so Thousand Folks where i live do it
all as a practice of life that works as i do.
But hey, i'm strange and i love it and i enjoy
folks who are different in however that comes.
Yeah, sure; this Love thingy that i call God is as large
as all that is, when one finds a practice of life that is real and
yes supernormal in making absolutely everything holy and sacred
full of meaning and purpose. I just finished writing over 40K words in 7
days and 166 miles or so of Public Dance in the same period of Human Clock time.
That's the way i do it that works for me; i don't see why anyone else should go through all this fun;
unless they wanna be like me; now
Like my wife Katrina says as we finish
Celebrating our 28th Anniversary; you are
something but i'm not sure what; and she says
who in the Hell would wanna do anything you do;
Of course as that applies to only me. Everything i am able
to do now at core is because i do not experience any illusory fears
anymore. I feel totally calm like a feather floating, keeping in mind again
that comes with a public dance of 8888 miles. It's like being at Disney World
all the time and i am the ride that and who at essence is having all the fun as is.
The Yogi's in the Mountains report experiences like this; rarely do they come to
share it with/as
common wealth.
Again, i do it
for the Joy
of Life for this
entire effort brings
me to a place surely
worthy for great thanks
and praise with my Glory giving
in Worship of a Naked Heaven within.
It's not the kinda thing one can explain without
Poetry my friend; And true it is a place where the entire
mind and body is all naturally balanced from head to toe.
Again; for me at least it's like an Olympic Sport that's fun to live in here now.
True, i wouldn't trade it for any amount or money or even a Gold Medal; hehe..;)


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