I sometimes hate people's attitudes to Asperger's/Autism

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26 Oct 2018, 10:57 am

It really annoys me at times by some other people's narrow-minded attitudes to towards people with autism or asperger's syndrome, like for example I heard of a guy who was working as a temporary manager in this charity shop volunteered by people with autism and other conditions and that he called them 'mongs'. I hate it when they get called 'stupid' or 'weirdos'. I even seem to think that we and other people think we look ugly and take it too seriously and over-react when for example a girl you're friends with and you like is going out with someone else and that we are always losers and I can't understand why some people won't give us a chance to understand just because they are a bit different. I feel we have a lot more to offer and be more interesting for people and non-autistic people don't always seem that interested in us and don't always want to be around us and prefer more to meet people who are non-autistic like themselves. I felt like that was always the case at school and college. And I don't know why some non-autistic people didn't always approach me. Was it because I was awkward ? I was weird ? I behave like an non autistic person but I don't always get people my age (29 or younger) who seem interested in me and want to approach me.



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26 Oct 2018, 11:32 am

Only sometimes? But yeah, I agree.

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And I don't know why some non-autistic people didn't always approach me. Was it because I was awkward ? I was weird ? I behave like an non autistic person

You probably did stand out more than you realize. People pick up on and are put off by the most subtle things. Looking back, that was certainly the case for me.



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26 Oct 2018, 12:04 pm

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Only sometimes? But yeah, I agree.
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And I don't know why some non-autistic people didn't always approach me. Was it because I was awkward ? I was weird ? I behave like an non autistic person

You probably did stand out more than you realize. People pick up on and are put off by the most subtle things. Looking back, that was certainly the case for me.

Yes, I think that's very true for me too. You can only learn and mimic non-autistic behaviours that you actually perceive and know to pay attention to. It's taken me a long time in many cases to work out that there's something about social behaviour that I'm missing, and it's even harder to work out exactly what that "something" is very often. I kidded myself that I was better at masking than I really was, because I nailed down the bits that I was aware of, not realising that there were so many "unknown unknowns".

I think that there's also a real danger of an "uncanny valley" effect even when our masking seems superficially quite good. The differences in our behaviour can be small enough not to be noticed as overtly weird, yet just tickle other people's subconscious filters in a way that, on a conscious level, just makes them feel uneasy without them being able to explain why (even to themselves.)


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26 Oct 2018, 4:50 pm

Some people are ignorant, like the one who uses rude name-calling. Some grow out of it. Others stay the same. They're missing out.



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27 Oct 2018, 12:47 am

I also hate those attitudes as well. Those attitudes are probably the reason that most employees don't want to hire us.


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27 Oct 2018, 1:33 am

Yeah that point about the uncanny valley is dead on. I think I've gotten there honestly. Like I generally mimic NT behavior, but a few small things always show. And yeah there's a reason why I hide it; I really don't want to judged for it.


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27 Oct 2018, 4:36 am

well there is my childhood...getting called weird, ret*d, ect having people decide because one time I messed up an interaction that I was a total loser. Like most people never made any effort to understand me, while I spent a lot of time trying to understand them. I certainly gave up at some times and may have inadvertently pushed people away as well because I was used to feeling pushed away by everyone else. My worst regret is not making more of an effort to befriend one girl who did seem to like me and want to be friends...but well, she got killed by a random guy with a gun who came in the school before I could do that. So...yeah there was that incident on top of the aspergers and anxiety and depression issues I have had since before that.

I mean I wish everyone could understand all I have felt and went through, but they can't and I have come to accept that.


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27 Oct 2018, 5:30 am

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My worst regret is not making more of an effort to befriend one girl who did seem to like me and want to be friends...but well, she got killed by a random guy with a gun who came in the school before I could do that. So...yeah there was that incident on top of the aspergers and anxiety and depression issues I have had since before that.

Sorry for it. Please don't blame yourself for the past you can't change it anyway. You can only try to learn from it. On the other hand if the girl had really become a good friend of you it would have been even harder to you to loose her. I know this doesn't makes you feel better about it. But may be you should realize how fast the life can be over now and it makes you strong enough to stop the sh***y anxiety and depression that keeps you away from enjoying your life.


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27 Oct 2018, 6:09 am

When I look back at my childhood the thing that sticks out the most is how bad adults treated me.



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27 Oct 2018, 6:22 am

chris1989 wrote:
It really annoys me at times by some other people's narrow-minded attitudes to towards people with autism or asperger's syndrome, like for example I heard of a guy who was working as a temporary manager in this charity shop volunteered by people with autism and other conditions and that he called them 'mongs'. I hate it when they get called 'stupid' or 'weirdos'. I even seem to think that we and other people think we look ugly and take it too seriously and over-react when for example a girl you're friends with and you like is going out with someone else and that we are always losers and I can't understand why some people won't give us a chance to understand just because they are a bit different. I feel we have a lot more to offer and be more interesting for people and non-autistic people don't always seem that interested in us and don't always want to be around us and prefer more to meet people who are non-autistic like themselves. I felt like that was always the case at school and college. And I don't know why some non-autistic people didn't always approach me. Was it because I was awkward ? I was weird ? I behave like an non autistic person but I don't always get people my age (29 or younger) who seem interested in me and want to approach me.




Re the manager in the charity shop, if you have evidence for the things you mention, I'd report him to his boss right way. Somebody with those sorts of attitudes, especially if he expresses them while at work, has no place working somewhere like that - or anywhere else.


As for autistic people being ugly, I can understand this in the case of autists who also have an intellectual disability - they haven't the presence of mind to take care of their appearance, but highly intelligent aspies are some of the best looking men I know of; Bobby Fischer, Gleen Gould, Nikola Tesla, all alleged aspies, were strikingly good looking in their youth.



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27 Oct 2018, 8:57 am

Yes, those attitudes and the names people are called, are ugly.



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28 Oct 2018, 8:56 pm

An upside to lacking a lot of social instincts is not being obsessed with social status, I think. It seems to me a lot of people are thinking about it (probably unconsciously) in literally every social interaction. They seemingly can't help looking for any and every reason to think themselves superior. I think it's the driver of everything from politics to witch burnings.



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29 Oct 2018, 12:11 am

It's typical human behavior. Most people, who don't understand something, will attempt to distance themselves from it. With people, it tends to result in belittling, insulting or dismissing things as a way to differentiate from themselves, perhaps as a defensive mechanism. It does result in what seems to be hate or meanness but often isn't done with that intent.

Many people do have some insecurities, and this sort of thing is a result. We want to be seen as "superior" to others, so we'll tend to put people down as a way to elevate ourselves above them. Those usually come out as pointing out the perceived negatives of someone else while extolling our own positives.

Now, this shouldn't mean you have to take it "They're just insecure, so they don't know what they're doing". No. Take the opportunity to tell them that they're behavior is not acceptable and give them an opportunity to learn. Of course, it does feel good to tell them to go #$*@ themselves, so that can still be an option.


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30 Oct 2018, 6:11 am

This temporary manager person you spoke of, chris1989, sounds like a horrendous person indeed. Alas, I'm afraid the world's attitudes towards Autistics remains quite negative and many people especially on the Internet seem to use the word "Autistic" used by itself as a mean-spirited name to call someone if they don't behave properly.

I have heard many Twitch users, the popular streaming site, say to other players "don't be so Autistic", when they play whatever game the way they're not supposed to. It's an insanely offensive way to treat people like us.

Let's see now, the names that I have personally been called are:

Autistic
Rain Man
Diaper boy
ret*d
Moron

Suffice it to say my anxiety status has never improved because with my improved Aspie memory, which seems at times more of a curse than a gift, I can remember every single time I was called those names.


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31 Oct 2018, 4:09 pm

Yeah I really hate it when people use those words in those contexts. That's a smaller reason why I avoid the communities for a lot of multiplayer focused games.


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02 Nov 2018, 12:41 pm

Daniel89 wrote:
When I look back at my childhood the thing that sticks out the most is how bad adults treated me.


Ditto.

Like I have a clear memory of this one teacher that really hated me and her looking at me with complete hatred, and I was only about 8 at most. I just really feel from all of my life experiences that I bring something primal out in people and they see my autism and hate me for it. It's extremely damaging and horrible.

I don't understand it, except to say that people's own screwed-up-ness and pain from even existing and being born on the planet comes out when they see someone who is different and handicapped and neurologically challenged, like it reminds them of how pathetic/needy/vulnerable they truly feel or how frightened, and it makes them hate us.

But other than that I'm at a loss to understand it. I just know it feels really, really, really really really really really really awful to be on the receiving end of it

Any other theories most welcome