thinkinginpictures wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Sounding like one is plotting violence can carry consequences and personally I don't mind limiting speech in that context.
I'm not talking of threats, but wish for punishment/retribution (you know, legally).
I think threats and calling for other/similar illegal actions - should be banned.
I'm not sure open discussion of planning to use the state to punish one's opponents is significantly different than engaging in that activity on one's own.
Obviously it depends on the actions in question, but (for example) pivoting from
Nazis should be beaten-up and run out of town to
we should pass a law so the cops can beat all the Nazis up and run them out of town doesn't really represent a big difference in my eyes. The end result is that violence is being threatened, further in the real world it's less likely that violence and violent rhetoric will actually be against reactionaries, it's usually directed towards minorities or people who otherwise fail to fit in well.
Basically, allowing for hate speech against one's opponents leaves open the possibility of one's opponents engaging in the same but having greater ability to act on those threats and greater ability to avoid being held accountable for actions relating to those threats.
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