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03 Jul 2021, 1:09 am

Earlier this year, Miya Ponsetto earned herself the nickname “Soho Karen,” after a video showed her attacking a Black teenager, throwing him to the ground, and falsely accusing him of stealing her phone. While I, too, was hoping to never hear from this woman — who has referred to herself as a “22-year-old girl” — ever again, I have a bit of satisfying news: Ponsetto has been charged with a hate crime for the alleged physical assault and false accusation.
https://www.thecut.com/2021/07/miya-pon ... crime.html

Well that's 3:0 for cyberdad after correctly guessing charges against 1. Central park karen 2. Derek Chauvin and now 3. Soho Karen.



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03 Jul 2021, 11:21 am

Good calls.  It is also good that racists are finally being prosecuted for behavior that was once considered natural, right, and proper.



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04 Jul 2021, 1:16 am

She is a coloured person, right?



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04 Jul 2021, 1:36 am

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She is a coloured person, right?


Technically no, she's Italian/Spanish but her family are from Puerto-Rico.



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04 Jul 2021, 1:38 am

Fnord wrote:
Good calls.  It is also good that racists are finally being prosecuted for behavior that was once considered natural, right, and proper.


Honestly she tried every excuse under the sun to wiggle out of charges.



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04 Jul 2021, 1:51 am

Physical assault is physical assault. Let her face the consequences of her actions.


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04 Jul 2021, 2:01 am

She is also an entitled individual who probably needs a wake-up call, Daddy's wealth isn't going to bail her out from drinking binges forever, She needs to grow up.



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04 Jul 2021, 2:56 am

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She is a coloured person, right?


She's about as much of a PoC as I am. :?


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04 Jul 2021, 4:35 am

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
She is a coloured person, right?


Technically no, she's Italian/Spanish but her family are from Puerto-Rico.


She looks mesitza (a woman of mixed European and Amerindian heritage). She may deny her Amerindian roots, but the face doesn't lie. Australians wouldn't really comprehend this.

She is indeed a Person-of-Color in the eyes of American society, regardless of how they spin it. White people aren't the only ones who can be racist.



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04 Jul 2021, 5:48 am

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
She is a coloured person, right?


Technically no, she's Italian/Spanish but her family are from Puerto-Rico.


She looks mesitza (a woman of mixed European and Amerindian heritage). She may deny her Amerindian roots, but the face doesn't lie. Australians wouldn't really comprehend this.

She is indeed a Person-of-Color in the eyes of American society, regardless of how they spin it. White people aren't the only ones who can be racist.


I hate to break it to you but she pulled the PoC defense to avoid jail.Even if she has a smattering of Amerindian ancestry she and her family almost certainly identify as white which is why she herself described herself (her words) as Italian, Spanish and Puerto-Rican when she was first interviewed. If she identified as coloured she would have mentioned native, Indian or african....but she didn't.

Living in Puero Rico as a self-identifying white person she is programmed to think the darkest person in a room is most likely to have stolen something. She committed a hate crime by profiling the only black person in the hotel lobby as a thief and proceeded to attack him. End of story.



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04 Jul 2021, 8:49 am

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[...] White people aren't the only ones who can be racist.
If this is the only point you are trying to make, then Captain Obvious might soon be out of a job.

A hate crime is a hate crime no matter who commits it -- this is obvious.



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04 Jul 2021, 7:08 pm

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
She is a coloured person, right?


Technically no, she's Italian/Spanish but her family are from Puerto-Rico.


She looks mesitza (a woman of mixed European and Amerindian heritage). She may deny her Amerindian roots, but the face doesn't lie. Australians wouldn't really comprehend this.

She is indeed a Person-of-Color in the eyes of American society, regardless of how they spin it. White people aren't the only ones who can be racist.


And yet, some people are so ill-informed that they think only Caucasians can be racist. lol

There was a study done, a number of years ago, that identified the human global IQ has diminished over the last 100 years.
I think we are seeing the "fruits" of this manifest in society, generally.

Caucasians are genetically programmed to be racist?
*All* whites have collective racial guilt?
Bwahahahaha. :lmao:
*All* humans are inclined to be *Tribalistic*.
Blame the evolutionary process.
"Useful Idiots" can be useful, though, on either side of the political divide. 8)



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04 Jul 2021, 8:55 pm

Pepe wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
She is a coloured person, right?


Technically no, she's Italian/Spanish but her family are from Puerto-Rico.


She looks mesitza (a woman of mixed European and Amerindian heritage). She may deny her Amerindian roots, but the face doesn't lie. Australians wouldn't really comprehend this.

She is indeed a Person-of-Color in the eyes of American society, regardless of how they spin it. White people aren't the only ones who can be racist.


And yet, some people are so ill-informed that they think only Caucasians can be racist. lol

There was a study done, a number of years ago, that identified the human global IQ has diminished over the last 100 years.
I think we are seeing the "fruits" of this manifest in society, generally.

Caucasians are genetically programmed to be racist?
*All* whites have collective racial guilt?
Bwahahahaha. :lmao:
*All* humans are inclined to be *Tribalistic*.
Blame the evolutionary process.
"Useful Idiots" can be useful, though, on either side of the political divide. 8)


With the exception of some overly loud and obnoxious individuals on Twitter, I don't think most people believe that.


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04 Jul 2021, 9:01 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Earlier this year, Miya Ponsetto earned herself the nickname “Soho Karen,” after a video showed her attacking a Black teenager, throwing him to the ground, and falsely accusing him of stealing her phone. While I, too, was hoping to never hear from this woman — who has referred to herself as a “22-year-old girl” — ever again, I have a bit of satisfying news: Ponsetto has been charged with a hate crime for the alleged physical assault and false accusation.
https://www.thecut.com/2021/07/miya-pon ... crime.html

Well that's 3:0 for cyberdad after correctly guessing charges against 1. Central park karen 2. Derek Chauvin and now 3. Soho Karen.

Given the court cases, and their outcomes, we're more at 0:2, with this third one being as yet undecided (Claiming "credit" for predicting a charge that is not proven is not something to "celebrate"...):
1) The only charge laid was "false report to police" which was dropped by the prosecutors in a manner that leaves her legally as though the charge was never laid (and unable to be laid in future) along with no charges related to breaching a bylaw, nor any charges containing "race" related components:
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but she's still the one in the wrong for breaching a bylaw and for falsely accusing the jogger of attacking her playing on his "black" background to get him arrested.

Source: https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=387467&p=8529119#p8529119
2) The only posts predicting charges (or, in fact motivation behind the actions) for this that you appear to have made were all along the "racism" lines, yet race was not brought up at any point during the trial by the prosecution, nor did any of the charges have any component connected to this.
3) As noted, with charges not proven, it is rather early to claim "credit" for predicting anything...

But, given you feel so confident in your "racism detection" abilities, maybe you could clarify your views as to whether utilising a person's race (or assumed race if not known) in responce to something they say (or post) in a manner intended to diminish that message is a racist act, and how you reached a conclusion regarding this?



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04 Jul 2021, 9:11 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
She is a coloured person, right?


Technically no, she's Italian/Spanish but her family are from Puerto-Rico.


She looks mesitza (a woman of mixed European and Amerindian heritage). She may deny her Amerindian roots, but the face doesn't lie. Australians wouldn't really comprehend this.

She is indeed a Person-of-Color in the eyes of American society, regardless of how they spin it. White people aren't the only ones who can be racist.


And yet, some people are so ill-informed that they think only Caucasians can be racist. lol

There was a study done, a number of years ago, that identified the human global IQ has diminished over the last 100 years.
I think we are seeing the "fruits" of this manifest in society, generally.

Caucasians are genetically programmed to be racist?
*All* whites have collective racial guilt?
Bwahahahaha. :lmao:
*All* humans are inclined to be *Tribalistic*.
Blame the evolutionary process.
"Useful Idiots" can be useful, though, on either side of the political divide. 8)


With the exception of some overly loud and obnoxious individuals on Twitter, I don't think most people believe that.


Having twice (at least) on this site been attacked for supposedly being "white" ("British Victorian" being the favoured phrase to describe my assumed heritage) in order to diminsh what I had posted, it's not just on Twitter where that belief (and the related attitude that "white" people can be treated in a manner that would be deemed "racist" if those of other races were treated in the same way) appears to exist...



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04 Jul 2021, 11:31 pm

Brictoria wrote:
maybe you could clarify your views as to whether utilising a person's race (or assumed race if not known) in responce to something they say (or post) in a manner intended to diminish that message is a racist act, and how you reached a conclusion regarding this?


Sorry could you clarify the specific context, more precisely how this pertains to Soho Karen Miya Ponsetto?