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27 May 2023, 2:00 pm

I'm around 5'8-5'10 with sizeable chub. Is it not obvious that I'm not going to dominate women's sports? But no, I either need a professional to examine me or to be on hormones for at least two years. if that makes sense to you you're weird.

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27 May 2023, 2:00 pm

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A male to female trans person with a clear advantage in size can't be matched up all that well. This is were limitations on weight classes come into play. Also, when large numbers of competitors averaging out weights will be a big problem.

Meanwhile what's been overlooked is that a transwomen who isn't at a size advantage probably can be matched up well.

Different sports likely will need to handle this issue in different ways, but with combat sports they have the option of using exhibition matches to test and see what works best.

They already have weight classes and they can figure out if weight handicapping is appropriate.

They probably could be matched up well in certain sports by weight but even then, something like boxing might be tricky. They might have a similar weight but the shoulders and chest might be more chunky.

Close attention needs to be paid to the sport as to whether it's appropriate.
Combat sports seem like the category where the strongest case can be made that it might be an issue. Most other sports can probably make it work.

Dunno why my comment failed to post. Yeah they would have to see what worked out well. I think one to one sports will be much easier to match up compared to being pitted against an entire group. Even then though, sports making use out of the upper body especially need to be looked at closely. Swimming and boxing are ones that use a lot of upper body strength where trans people with have a advantage.

I think they're working this out over time. The sports where trans people have an advantage are probably under scrutiny anyway by their relevant sporting bodies.

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27 May 2023, 2:02 pm

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Agree or not that trans people are succumbing to some sort of mass mania, they are people, and what is going on is the very last thing they need. I am going to say something that is hypothetical and white and cis splaining but if I was transgender I would be more frightened right now than if I was black.

Where I live most people are against racial prejudice, but they think it’s okay to be transphobic/make transphobic comments. It’s really sad.

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27 May 2023, 2:03 pm

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Uh oh! Nades is getting annoyed. We’d better call an ambulance.

Don’t tell me what I can or can’t insinuate! :evil:

I actually can tell you. Check the WP rules where insinuations (which you have clearly done from the start) are against the rules.

Bigotry, once again, is a hatred of a person for their membership of a particular group. Having concerns over muscle mass, grammar, or other side topics doesn't fall under the umbrella of bigotry.

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27 May 2023, 2:03 pm

My opinion is that trans rights are human rights. I think that everyone should have the right to transition. I think that children should be allowed to be on hormones and transition that way. I think that people should be able to wear hats and clothes that match their gender identity if they can't afford to transition. I'm trans myself.

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27 May 2023, 2:04 pm

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Bigotry:

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obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices : the state of mind of a bigot

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigotry

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27 May 2023, 2:05 pm

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Bigotry:

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obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices : the state of mind of a bigot

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigotry

Again, bigotry must include a hatred of someone for belonging to a particular group.

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27 May 2023, 2:06 pm

Nades wrote:

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Bigotry:

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obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices : the state of mind of a bigot

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigotry

Again, bigotry must include a hatred of someone for belonging to a particular group.

Your recent posts in this and the other thread make your feelings toward trans issues and trans people abundantly clear.

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27 May 2023, 2:07 pm

Nades wrote:

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Bigotry:

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obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices : the state of mind of a bigot

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigotry

Again, bigotry must include a hatred of someone for belonging to a particular group.

no way you just said this with the MERRIAM-WEBSTER definition right there :lol:

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27 May 2023, 2:08 pm

Readydaer wrote:

Nades wrote:

Twilightprincess wrote:

Bigotry:

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obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices : the state of mind of a bigot

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigotry

Again, bigotry must include a hatred of someone for belonging to a particular group.

no way you just said this with the MERRIAM-WEBSTER definition right there :lol:

Maybe he should come out with his own dictionary. It would make debates much easier. :lol:

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27 May 2023, 2:09 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:

Nades wrote:

Twilightprincess wrote:

Bigotry:

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obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices : the state of mind of a bigot

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigotry

Again, bigotry must include a hatred of someone for belonging to a particular group.

Your recent posts in this and the other thread make your feelings towards trans issues and trans people abundantly clear.

Again, bigotry must include hatred of a person for their membership of a particular group. The last thread I was on a few days ago was concerns over making a legal grey area.

In this one, you seem to have taken issue with my views on trans people/kids and sport/hormone treatments.

Sports and hormone treatments doesn't fall under the category is hatred of a person because of their membership to a group. It's an issue of medicine and fairness in sport.

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27 May 2023, 2:12 pm

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Sports and hormone treatments doesn't fall under the category is hatred of a person because of their membership to a group. It's an issue of medicine and fairness in sport.

No, sports and bathrooms are common topics that people use as weapons against the trans community. Most people don’t actually GAF (or not much of one) about either of these topics. It’s something they use to uphold their prejudice.

I can think of similarly polarizing topics that have been used to uphold racism, but I don’t want to go there.

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27 May 2023, 2:12 pm

He can send us each a free copy of the dictionary.

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27 May 2023, 2:15 pm

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He can send us each a free copy of the dictionary.

He’d better pay for shipping and handling because I’m not. :lol:

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27 May 2023, 2:15 pm

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Sports and hormone treatments doesn't fall under the category is hatred of a person because of their membership to a group. It's an issue of medicine and fairness in sport.

How do you know?

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27 May 2023, 2:34 pm

Because in the grand scheme of things, it’s not a huge issue. I find it remarkable that people are making it a big issue - even people who aren’t invested in these sports and don’t know any trans people personally. There are lots of other issues people can get worked up about if they wanted to.

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Scott, like nearly every Democrat on the committee during the markup, pointed out that transgender students are a small fraction of the population, and even a smaller population when it comes to youths in sports.

More than 8 million students compete in high school athletics, and more than 480,000 students compete as National Collegiate Athletic Association athletes, according to the NCAA.

Currently, 32 transgender athletes openly compete in college sports, Scott said, adding that there are more lawmakers on the committee — 45 — than college transgender athletes.

“It’s ludicrous to suggest that such a handful of athletes, who pose no evidentiary threat, justifies national congressional action,” he said.

UCLA’s School of Law Williams Institute estimates that about 1.6 million people ages 13 and up identify as transgender in the U.S. Of that population, 300,000 are youths ages 13 to 17 and make up 1.4% of the U.S. population for that age group.

‘Scapegoating in a cultural war’
Democrats argued the legislation would harm transgender children.

“This is about scapegoating in a cultural war a group of trans kids and criminalizing their existence,” Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva, an Arizona Democrat, said. “We are mired in this cultural war created and started by my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, and trans kids in this war, become mere collateral damage.”

https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2023/03/09 ... use-panel/

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