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10 Apr 2005, 7:12 am

I wish I could have a faith in something, but I just feel that aspies aren't welcome to God.



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10 Apr 2005, 10:25 am

which one? i should find an aspie-friendly one, then, if i were you...



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10 Apr 2005, 12:11 pm

No, god made aspies for others to pick on and take their frustrations out on so they don't pick on any of his others cattle and sin by doing them wrong, someone has to take the burn if people are to learn and grow, someone has to be the fall guy, why not us?
you don't think god would want the likes of us in heaven do you?!?
so go out and raise hell!.
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10 Apr 2005, 6:03 pm

aspies are welcome 2 God. he loves us all, even aspies. I found that God has helped me the the diffculties of having AS.
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12 Apr 2005, 12:36 pm

Jonny wrote:

What do you mean by "intellectual gift" ?

If we are going to get into this debate lets not limit it to AS, how about all the suffering in the world ?

Good Point, but, in the bible (somewhere) it talks about how any suffering you endure on earth will be rewarded tenfold, Life's a b***h and then you die, but you live forever in the Fathers house


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12 Apr 2005, 12:38 pm

jmatucd wrote:
let me make some silly statements:

1. something does not come from nothing
2. we (humanity, the earth, the materials in your pencil, etc) came about because of some phsyical elements (big bang, whatever) came together in a particular way and evolution came through and here we are today the dominant species.
3. now, since something does not come from nothing, it follows that we came from _something_. That is, the rational realm around us is goverened by rational laws of 'nature', physics, etc.

Now, we live in a rational world that was created and exists of physical matter. Something is not created from nothing. Therefore we were created by something (physical elements, big bang etc). But where did that come from? It follows that since something does not come from nothing in the rational world, we cannot simple say one big bang made the next and so on so forth in a chain. There had to be a "start" that originated the rational realm that we live in.

This rational start can only be explained by irrational / supernatural / god-like activity that is beyond our reach and/or comprehension. It cannot be that the universe was created from nothing. Therefore, it must have been created at some point. It could have only been created by a force operating outside the confines of science as it presents itself for us.

So, there must have been an original, irrational top level force that created our system and realm. Where did this system come about? We cannot comprehend that. We do know that something does not come from nothing, however. But who created the creator? Hell if I know, I can't even see the creator and sense it. We must assume that because we are here, we were created. And since we were created, by the previous line of thought, we could not have some from a rational start (that is, the big bang itself did not start for no reason from nothing). Something from beyond our grasp conducted all this.

Was this power, this phenomenon aware of what would occur on "Earth" or who would become an aspie? I can't rule that out since whoever made all this is hardcore and then some. All this could have been made by a cosmic accident that started at a higher plane of reasoning. Yes, however, we do not know whether this upper creator intended it so or simply created or cared or was capable of carring or desiring to know. We simple know that something created all this.

So, in summation: Something does not come from nothing. We did not come from nothing. Then where did we come from? At some point the rational realm was initiated in some respect (whether as the big bang or something before that or in another dimension etc) by a higher entity: space dust, Christian God, Jewish God (yeah little difference there if any), aliens, or bake sale gone horribly wrong! I cannot say with any certainty, truth be told. But SOMETHING created all this. That something is beyond my vision and comprehension (to a degree obviously). But something in the extra-rational, post-rational realm decided, willed, or accidentally brought this rational realm into fruition.

We are here because something created us and the system around us. What that 'something' is will no doubt remain a mystery for a long time if not until the end of man. But it is or was there. It did happen. We are here, we are living proof.

I cannot tell you why we are Aspies. But we are. Thats that. Too bad or nice and dandy. The choice is yours. Unfortunately our 'condition' affects our happiness due to certain quirks and deficiencies our condition has bestowed upon us. We can live with it happy, miserable, isolated, or meshed in society as NTs. This is life. Its tough. Make what you can from what you have. That is all I can say.

Very simple. "From dust we were created and to dst we shall return"
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12 Apr 2005, 1:14 pm

AS is sort of a hurdle to me. Once I get over it, I can catch up with the rest. If we were made this way, then there has to be a purpose for us. Look at Einstein. His life wasnt a waste and he was an aspie.
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12 Apr 2005, 1:58 pm

It is hard to think of AS as a "blessing" if all the crap I went through in my school years (and much less of it, yet still present, at college and work) are any indication.

Plus our tendency to try find a rational explanation to everything doesn't jive well with the idea of uncompromised belief in God. However, I probably have the biggest testimonial of the presence of God in my mother, who is a devout Christian and have witnessed how she has gotten out of her health crisis for something that cannot be called other than a miracle - the miracle of faith, probably.

I don't know if God "wanted" us to be Aspies, because that would be like saying He randomly pick and chooses individual from the entire human race to be put on trial like Job since childbirth. And I certainly don't think we are not worthy of whatever reward there must be in the celestial netherworld just because of being Aspies - which is a purely neurophysical condition that has nothing to do with what we call Soul. Enough ranting...


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12 Apr 2005, 7:06 pm

If you had trouble at school, it is not because of aspergers. It is because other people do not accept differences very well.

I wouldn't blame any religious theory for having aspergers.
I call it a gift.

If any of you will blame anything, blame our tendency to mary people based on intelligence.



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12 Apr 2005, 7:11 pm

i dont care much for intelligent girls. Intellectual conversations bore me. i want a girl who knows how to have fun.
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15 Apr 2005, 7:06 pm

where does the deafintion of NT come from? i think thats where aspergers come from cos ppl can't see differences, there4 they need an expenation and this is that expenation. I don't belive that God created the condtion aspergers but ppl who can't understand difference did.
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15 Apr 2005, 7:42 pm

I do not understand anything you just said
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16 Apr 2005, 4:37 pm

So thww grown-ups have someone to treat like s**t. :evil:



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16 Apr 2005, 4:38 pm

God isnt real. if he were, he would save us.
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16 Apr 2005, 4:46 pm

save us from wot?


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16 Apr 2005, 6:34 pm

from life. I dont wanna live forever, i know that suffering is so much better.
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