Did Egyptian sailors make it to the Americas?

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22 Aug 2014, 11:14 am

Thousands of years ago? There are striking similarities between Egyptians and certain new world cultures.



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22 Aug 2014, 11:37 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Thousands of years ago? There are striking similarities between Egyptians and certain new world cultures.


You mean Pyramids, right? Perhaps, but unlikely. However, I would not rule out Islamic sailors, and Chinese, and perhaps also Polynesians as well 'discovering' two differant coasts of the Americas.


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22 Aug 2014, 11:41 am

Fogman wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Thousands of years ago? There are striking similarities between Egyptians and certain new world cultures.


You mean Pyramids, right? Perhaps, but unlikely. However, I would not rule out Islamic sailors, and Chinese, and perhaps also Polynesians as well 'discovering' two differant coasts of the Americas.


So...just someone with knowledge of the pyramids made it but not Egyptians? It seems if Egyptians could go to the trouble of creating a pyramid, they could make it to America.



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22 Aug 2014, 12:17 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Fogman wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Thousands of years ago? There are striking similarities between Egyptians and certain new world cultures.


You mean Pyramids, right? Perhaps, but unlikely. However, I would not rule out Islamic sailors, and Chinese, and perhaps also Polynesians as well 'discovering' two differant coasts of the Americas.


So...just someone with knowledge of the pyramids made it but not Egyptians? It seems if Egyptians could go to the trouble of creating a pyramid, they could make it to America.


I suppose they could if they were really motivated to. But from what I could find, they were not motivated to.

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/trade/travel.htm
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The ancient Egyptians were no great travellers. Unlike the Phoenicians and Greeks who spread out all over the ancient Mediterranean, the Egyptians stayed home and left the foreign lands to the foreigners, much of the time at least. They did get around in their own country quite a bit though, be it on official business or for private reasons, but showed little interest in seeing the sights, let alone describing them.


They went up and down the Nile and built many boats for that purpose, but they didn't seem to be motivated to fight their way out to sea. And fight it would have to be. They had access to the Red Sea and Mediterranean but getting out of either of those and into the ocean would require going through some pretty narrow straits and probably fighting their way past whoever was controlling those straits. It would be theoretically possible if they really, really wanted to. But all evidence points to them not even trying. I guess they threw all their energy into those pyramids.



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22 Aug 2014, 12:27 pm

I got an idea about what possibly happened. One group did try to sail to the Americas and made it only to never return. So, the Egyptians became skittish after this and timid. They did not like their kinsmen never returning from their adventure.

The one group that did make it was able to influence American cultures like Incas, Aztecs, and Mayans.



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22 Aug 2014, 12:51 pm

Many cultures built pyramids. There are many in Asia as well.
If Egyptians really went to the Americas, they forgot to take their ideas about metalworking with them, and horses.

The Vikings did get to the New World (wiki: Vinland, but they were not known for building pyramids.



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22 Aug 2014, 12:53 pm

Not that I know of but according to folklore the Welsh landed along the Gulf coast almost a thousand years ago and are said to have built strange forts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoc



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22 Aug 2014, 1:08 pm

We have to keep in mind there could have been many sailors from Europe and Asia that crossed the sea to land on these shores only to never return to their home. I have read some Native Americans did in fact look European.



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22 Aug 2014, 2:03 pm

It quite reasonable to think that pyramid construction could happen and be developed completely independently.

Same for the understanding of geometry, structure, basic mechanics and construction methods.

I mean if you have a single building material like stone it is pretty obvious that a pyramid or "heap" is a way to build a tall structure. You can even find that out by accident. A heap of sand, and earth mound. If they developed an ability to cut stone accuracy and plan, it not really far fetched for them to be able to do it

The pyramids of Egypt might be similar in some ways, except the purpose and internals and even construction method differ considerably.

The only connection I've seen so far between ancient Egypt and the New World which as some is actually a cocaine link. Consumption of Coca leaf or by-product stays in the hair after death. Some mummies have this signature. It is of course possible that there was a stimulant in the old world that has the same signature, or there is some other process were this signature can arise over time, and of course contamination has to be ruled out.



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22 Aug 2014, 2:03 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
We have to keep in mind there could have been many sailors from Europe and Asia that crossed the sea to land on these shores only to never return to their home. I have read some Native Americans did in fact look European.


Modern genetics can answer these sort of questions.



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22 Aug 2014, 4:08 pm

The dates are all wrong. The Central American pyramids were built thousands of years apart from the Egyptian ones.



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22 Aug 2014, 4:13 pm

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The dates are all wrong. The Central American pyramids were built thousands of years apart from the Egyptian ones.


Then the hypothesis must be tweaked! It was in fact the Americans who sailed to Egypt, saw the pyramids and came back with the know how! :lol:


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22 Aug 2014, 4:14 pm

I believe the Egyptian pyramids were mostly built during the 3rd to the 6th Dynasties (about 2700-2500 BC).

I believe the Mayan pyramids were built during the First Millennium AD--maybe about 600 AD, during the Classic period.



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22 Aug 2014, 4:26 pm

SilverProteus wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
The dates are all wrong. The Central American pyramids were built thousands of years apart from the Egyptian ones.


Then the hypothesis must be tweaked! It was in fact the Americans who sailed to Egypt, saw the pyramids and came back with the know how! :lol:

Not quite - the Egyptian pyramids were built first, they were just built too far in advance for it to make any sense whatsoever for them to be built by the same people.
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I believe the Egyptian periods were built about the 3rd to the 6th Dynasties (about 2700-2500 BC).

I believe the Mayan pyramids were built during the First Millennium AD--maybe about 600 AD, during the Classic period.

Those dates are consistent with what I remember.

We're biased to view anything from about 10,000BC to 800AD as "a long time ago, either side of Christ but before 1066", but we'll happily acknowledge the changes in human culture between 1945 and 1975.

The "one builder" hypothesis states that Egyptians built some pyramids, sailed to America, and built some more. OK, maybe if we could find some evidence... except they'd have to sit around not building pyramids for 3000 years, then decide to start building again! Utterly ludicrous.



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22 Aug 2014, 4:29 pm

Why can't two separate ethnic groups, who reside thousands of miles apart, acquire similar technologies? If one ethnic group was able to do it, why can't another one do it?



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22 Aug 2014, 6:58 pm

I watched something on YouTube a few months ago that pondered this. Apparently traces of cocaine were found in a few Egyptian mummies, yet the scientists who discovered this refused to let anyone else test them to validate their claims. Hmm...

I don't remember too many points made in the video, but I'll try to find it.

I found a clip. Not the full episode, though the episode talked about other things besides this. I hope the uploader didn't miss anything.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaXBwV7uLiQ[/youtube]