Russia plans to weaken domestic violence law

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38794677

It's pretty harsh, so think twice before clicking the link.

Annual beatings will be legal, as long as they're not too severe.

I read, some years ago, that Russia's domestic-violence laws led to families being broken up even when family members didn't want to be so. Familial income was jeopardized and poverty ensued. I have a feeling that Russia has seen its tax revenue reduce as a result of its harsh laws, and is now trying to take corrective measures. But, what do I know? I amn't Russian.

It's weird what gets press, we hear about this supposedly terrible homophobia in Russia and now they have this story about domestic violence which to me seems like another story to demonize Russia/Russians. The same people that cry crocodile tears about a temporary travel ban being mean spirited to countries where they enslave women and throw gays off tall buildings think Russia is enemy #1, doesn't make a lot of sense to me. What does the Quran say about wife beating?

Basically the same as the new Russian law, I'm fairly sure. However, sharia scholars are not monolithic, and Islam requires people to obey the laws of their country.

I don't think any women in Russia are getting stoned to death because they got raped

Any comment on Russia itself?

Your reply ignored everything in my comment. Sad.

I didn't ignore it, me not responding the way you want isn't ignoring it. Sharia law does not apply to Russian law, it is not the same. In fact Putin said people that support Sharia law over Russia law should leave the country. The same people that demonize Russia but will defend Islam as it is practiced in the 7 nations with the temporary travel ban, it really makes no sense as there are no more oppressive people towards women on Earth.

I don't think this law has the effects people are trying to make it out to be, it does not legalize domestic violence.

My desk is calling and my head cannot refuse.

Domestic violence shouldn't be weakened like this, period. No excuse.

I don't see how ANYONE can defend this law. It's sickening and really does (once again) prove that Russia is bad.

Is there any international outcry? We really need to keep our eyes on what people try to do under cover of the Tweetstorm Presidency.

I think Jacoby's argument is a strong one. Will you please explain to me why you want to hit your head on your desk jrjones9933? I really genuinely want to know. Is there something big I'm missing?

First off, the discussion is about whether Russia is right or wrong in their plans. The new law, as mentioned, will formally excuse one beating per year as long as local authorities don't consider it too severe. Take it in context, and find a source you trust about the current situation in Russia regarding spousal abuse.

Second, the issue of Sharia. There is not one Sharia Law; it isn't codified in a big book. Moderate Muslims take the stance that the Quran requires them to at a minimum obey all the laws of their country of residence. If they make an agreement, even an implied agreement like being born a citizen, then they have to uphold it to the same extent as required by other ethical standards in other stable societies.

Frequently, the Sharia standard for husbands disciplining their wives is that they can beat them with a stick no thicker than their thumb, as long as the local authorities don't consider it too bad.

So, the comparison is meaningless because this isn't about Sharia, and it's actually a pretty bad comparison since both rely on the police to decide how much abuse is a justifiable assertion of the husband's natural authority. I find them morally equivalent in general, and level accusations of moral repugnancy based on specific events and statistics.

Trump just expressed more admiration of Putin's Russia, by the way, just for the record.

The point of my post was that Russia has been unfairly singled out for propaganda purposes and how hypocritical the liberals are who now hate Russia for their "conservative values" but yet defend the most oppressive force against women & homosexuals on this planet in Islam. It has to be discussed within context so I feel everything I said is on topic, I think the law in Russia is purposely being misrepresented. I think you know I am well aware of the different interpretations of Islam and some being worse than others but they're all pretty anti-woman and anti-gay, there are cultural variations too with the Arabs being particularly bad in this regard. These people not only beat women but mutilate their bodies and stone them to death for being raped, why can't we talk about this evil?

Is it because it's given a religious seal of approval that we can't offend, is it because liberals see them all as oppressed minorities that they must paternalistically protect? This is why I don't believe in absolute religious freedom, religious barbarism should not be tolerated anywhere for any reason and one law should apply to all no exceptions. Liberals don't think it's anything to offend Christians or to deconstruct their beliefs but they get cold feet all the sudden when somebody does it Muslims? A lot of these people who think Piss Jesus is totally okay also think Muslims aren't acting unreasonable for how they react to 'insults to the prophet'.

Fundamentalist Christianity while not anywhere as violent as their Islamic counterparts has a very intolerant view of women and homosexuals as well. Orthodox Jews have some pretty intolerant views on women and homosexuals too, there seems to be a trend with these Abrahamic religions. Just because large percentages of Christianity and Judaism have moderates doesn't mean this is mirror in all religions, the composition of Islam I think trends a lot more conservative and fundamentalist than any other major religion which can be explained by their policy of ordering death onto anybody that questions it's validity.

Well, it's not as though this thread was seeing much other action. I've been consistent in my condemnation of all sexism, sometimes in opposition to the WP R bloc, and sometimes in agreement with them. It seems that to your side, it's never a problem that the greatest threat to the life of a woman in America comes from her own family.

What, specifically, do you think that the Russian Law is now, as currently practiced, and how do you assert this law will change that?

My impression is that they still will prosecute people who do real harm, not people spanking children or getting into stupid drunken arguments that their neighbors call the cops on. Leaving a mark on someone is a line that they also use a lot in this country too, that's a very clear line that constitutes bodily harm in my opinion. Also we don't know what Russia's law was as far as penalties before, the Russian legal system I don't think is known for being lax so softening penalties might carry a different weight in that country than it does here.

Here is a RT article that tries to give it more context

https://www.rt.com/politics/375943-sena ... lobby-for/

Well, you and I have laid out our sides and I'd like to hear more from Smudge.