Where do people get these ideas about Asperger's?

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Morgana
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16 Jan 2011, 12:08 pm

Did you ask your "educated" friend where he got his information from? Can he show you some sources? Because I, too, would be very curious to know where people come up with these ideas.

As for following through and sending him more correct information about Asperger´s, why not? Since you are knowledgeable on the subject, and he is an intellectual, he may find it interesting to learn the facts. I would do it!

But then again, I am probably socially inappropriate and I tend to be ruled by my special interests, so you might want to take my advice with a grain of salt. :lol:


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16 Jan 2011, 12:15 pm

There are some genuinely messed up people with asperger's who use it as an excuse for their disturbing and abnormal behaviors.

"I can't help it, I have autism!" can commonly be heard from the most unpopular student in your class when someone actually bothers to point out that their launching massive tantrums, screaming at their classmates, throwing things across the room, and drawing rape and murder fantasies about their classmates is.... well, not very pleasant, nor normal, or something a civilized human being should do. There's a reason these people got diagnosed with asperger's, and anyone who has had the misfortune to know one will look at similar behaviors and see signs of it.



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16 Jan 2011, 2:32 pm

buryuntime wrote:
He probably concluded that from hearing that we can be naíve.

While it is true we may get confused and answer things differently, we would never admit to a crime we didn't commit. I'm very headstrong in my beliefs and the facts.


Actually some of us very much would especially those who are passive and easily led. Just because YOU wouldn't doesn't mean everyone else is just like you.


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17 Jan 2011, 8:27 am

Chronos wrote:
Good question. I don't know, however perhaps he heard that those with AS are gullible. While it's true that a child with AS is more prone to believing that others are telling the truth, and may have trouble with metaphors, I don't think this is as pervasive as the general public might perceive.

A large number of people can be backed into confessing they did something they didn't. I think someone with AS would be a little more resistant to this, and those with AS general become upset at the prospect of lying, and tend to be extremely stubborn.
So to that end, the scenario presented by this man is plausible, but it certainly does not epitomize AS.


This is exactly what I tried to say in my response to him, although I don't think it was as well phrased or as thoughtfully organized. He was claiming that the extreme level of "leadability" he described was one of the hallmarks of AS. Several people have mentioned this as possibly being a misunderstanding of Aspie naivete, and that does seem reasonable.

wavefreak58 wrote:
Sometimes people that are highly educated fall in love with their own ideas, assuming them correct simply because they thought them. I'm betting your PHD friend had some experience with an Aspie person in real life and extrapolated that experience into broad generalities. Since his chosen field isn't related to autism, he would have no compelling reason to dig deeper. How did he react to your explanations?


His reaction was pretty much stunned silence - which was everyone else's reaction, too. Even though this was a small group, and they are all people I know pretty well, I don't typically say much in a social context. My contribution to dinner conversation is typically along the lines of "This meat is soooo tender! Would you mind giving me the recipe? Thanks so much!" :roll: For me to give a several minute long data dump in the middle of dinner is so out of character that it caught everyone off guard. :oops: Well, actually, it is very much in character, but I've learned to not start! :wink:

Janissy wrote:
On the question of how he would perceive it if you attempt to further educate him with printouts, I'll make a guess of my own.
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. . . unless you have a child with Aspergers, you will have outed yourself, whether you have an official diagnosis or not. So whether or not you should do this depends on whether or not you want him concluding that you have Aspergers.


You're probably right, but, meh. He's part of my boyfriend's "inner circle," and he's quite picky about who gets into that group. He wouldn't be there if he wasn't pretty open minded. If I can correct his misunderstanding of what Asperger's is, I won't worry about his (probable) conclusion that I have it.

Mindslave wrote:
If this guy has a Ph.D, he is probably an idiot, because anyone who goes to school for 12 years is overcompensating for something in their life, and maybe that's why he has to give his "opinion" on the subject.


Hmmm, yes. Often true, but not always. He had a BS before he started working there - about 30 years ago - and, as an employee he gets to take classes for free. Give me free classes for 30 years, and I promise I'll have multiple degrees - maybe even a PhD in something! 8)

Your point, which Wavefreak also made, about highly educated people thinking that their opinion is always relevant is quite accurate, though. People do assume that, because they are expert in one area, they are expert in all areas.

Morgana wrote:
Did you ask your "educated" friend where he got his information from? Can he show you some sources? Because I, too, would be very curious to know where people come up with these ideas.


I did not. I wanted to, but realized that it would have come out something like, "Where in God's name did you get such a ridiculously distorted misunderstanding of Asperger's?," and I didn't think that would go over very well. :lol: