The lasting repercussions of the loss of Asperger's

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19 May 2020, 3:25 pm

I actually don't think this is going to really stick in the long term, but that's because it seems like to me they're finding so many different genes that cause autism and can have their own associated characteristics, and so autism being such an encompassing spectrum is just weird to me. It's an understandable classification right now with the information we have, and yes Asperger's can be very similar to ASD, but I have a feeling ASD is in general going to break off into quite a few different disorders later on. Autistic people and their traits can be quite, quite different from each other and I don't think just saying something is a "spectrum" and leaving it at that is going to be helpful to everyone.



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20 May 2020, 7:44 pm

As I wrote when I mistakenly double posted the OP's link(sorry about that)
" I think Aspergers is autism but a subtype. Having dealt with both cancer and Autism I understand any analogy between the two is flawed but stage 4 cancer and stage 1 cancer present in many ways as different conditions but they are still cancer. Same with tongue cancer and brain cancer. This is true of many conditions in life.

Where the DSM erred is making Aspergers a separate diagnosis, not an Autism subtype diagnosis. Then they doubled down on the original error by making all Autism one diagnosis. The stated reason was that Aspergers had turned in such a broad category as to be meaningless. While there is an element of truth to this they did not fix the problem but made it worse by making everything just autism. If we should use the term Aspergers because of Hans Asperger's controversial life is another question.

I hope subcategories come back and that they are based on the strongest traits/impairments of the individual being diagnosed."

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In US it has been transmogrified to ASD level 1; level 2 is with a more noticeable intellectual disability. To obtain benefits, one has to be a level 2 with certain criteria. The forementioned move within those agencies tells the NT world that Asperger's is something mild, just some quirks -and who doesn't have quirks...-, and downsizes the hardships. It is within the realm of possibility that this had lobbying/cease benefits driven motivation aka running autistic society like an insurance company. d e n i e d ! :rambo:

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Why Claim Asperger's is Overdiagnosed? - Psychology 2012
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While the American Psychiatric Association insists that “un-diagnosing” is not its goal, there is little question that a purpose of its DSM changes is screening out those who may not be “definitively” autistic. Members of the committees charged with the autism revisions have reverted to this theme again and again, often in unguarded moments.

Although the clinical understanding of autism influences casual conversation, casual conversation should not influence the clinical understanding of autism. And yet it so frequently does. The overdiagnosis argument, in which Asperger syndrome is accused of a major role in the alleged over-medicalization of the American population, is a prime example. It is particularly unnerving when it comes from DSM-5 professionals, since it suggests pre-emptive justification for “undiagnosing” a significant cadre of autistic people. (Some of those professionals prefer to blame Fred Volkmar, director of the Child Study Center at the Yale School of Medicine, for the public anxiety.)

In February, science writer Emily Willingham delivered an intricate critique of the flabbery jabbery coming from some of these autism “experts”: anecdote cited as evidence, opinion as certainty. A less measured commentator accused the DSM team of pseudoscientific delusional syndrome. Some of the overdiagnosis comments sampled below have achieved notoriety in the autism community, but still, the Asperger’s Alive! archive would be remiss not to include them. And its worth remembering that social communciation and Theory of Mind present challenges for some autism researchers.

Susan Swedo, chair of the DSM-5 neurodevelopmental disorders workgroup, said in May that many people who identify with Asperger’s Syndrome “don't actually have Asperger's disorder, much less an autism spectrum disorder.”
David Kupfer, chair of the task force charged with the DSM revisions, blurted to the New York Times in January: “We have to make sure not everybody who is a little odd gets a diagnosis of autism or Asperger Disorder. It involves a use of treatment resources. It becomes a cost issue.” (This was startling to those who’d missed the memo that declared costs and treatment resources the responsibility of the APA. Which was everyone.)

Catherine Lord, the director of the Institute for Brain Development at New York-Presbyterian Hospital, and another member of the workgroup, told Scientific American in January, “If the DSM-IV criteria are taken too literally, anybody in the world could qualify for Asperger's or PDD-NOS... We need to make sure the criteria are not pulling in kids who do not have these disorders.”

Paul Steinberg, a D.C. psychiatrist, declared in a New York Times op-ed in January that “with the loosening of the diagnosis of Asperger, children and adults who are shy and timid, who have quirky interests like train schedules and baseball statistics, and who have trouble relating to their peers” are erroneously and harmfully labeled autistic. He blamed a 1992 Department of Education directive that “called for enhanced services" for children diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders: “The diagnosis of Asperger syndrome went through the roof."

Dr. Bryna Siegel, a developmental psychologist at the University of California, San Francisco, told a Daily Beast reporter in February that she “undiagnoses” nine of out ten students with so-called Asperger’s. Siegel was a member of the panel responsible for the inclusion of Asperger’s in the DSM-IV, which the reporter cited to me in a phone call as evidence of Seigel's objectivity: implicitly, Seigel is critiquing her own work. But that same journalist made no mention in the piece of Dr. Seigel’s history as an expert witness for school districts fending off families’ claims for those “enhanced services,” and the obvious conflict of interest (as well as the selection bias in her client pool) this represents. In October, she told New York magazine that she undiagnoses six out of ten. That's quite a shift in eight months. Hope it was evidence-based.

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20 May 2020, 8:09 pm

pyrrhicwren wrote:
In US it has been transmogrified to ASD level 1; level 2 is with a more noticeable intellectual disability. To obtain benefits, one has to be a level 2 with certain criteria. The forementioned move within those agencies tells the NT world that Asperger's is something mild, just some quirks -and who doesn't have quirks...-, and downsizes the hardships. It is within the realm of possibility that this had lobbying/cease benefits driven motivation aka running autistic society like an insurance company. d e n i e d ! :rambo:

DSM-5 requires the diagnosis to include whether there is intellectual or language impairment. The levels are functioning levels.

I just say "I'm on the spectrum" and don't mind the term "aspie" if they want a catchy name for it. Hopefully someone's working on sorting out different types of ASD. The four types that Lorna Wing came up with don't seem to be much known or used, however: Which Lorna Wing Type Are You?


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20 May 2020, 8:44 pm

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21 May 2020, 2:54 pm

I suppose plenty of us don't fit one the types very closely. I fit the Passive type 90%. The Active-but-odd makes the think of Einstein. I imagined being him and and hit 90%.


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23 May 2020, 4:01 pm

I thing Asperger's is a very specific condition and can be even the opposite to other autism related problems. It's a different thing then just being a quirky way. I would separate it from other kinds of autism even that there is a spectrum of it too. Once you have poor motion skills, doing a lot of stimming or if you have a lot of sensorical issues then it's not Asperger's but autism. But you may have both at once an Asperger Syndrom and autism. I would treat any kind of axiety disorders towards people like selective mutism as something very different. And I would treat the people who are overly emotional and for this the opposite of the ones who have Asperger's separate. They have very special problems but aren't just because of this autistic nor do they have Asperger's. Once you separate the conditions of the people then you are able to support them a lot better.
But I'm not at all a shrink of course.


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