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01 May 2008, 7:17 pm

So....now that it's over, what did you have for lunch after all? Just wondering.....

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01 May 2008, 7:20 pm

Okay. If you really want to travel that far, I can arrange for a sandwich of some sort.

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01 May 2008, 7:26 pm

I'll make you one. But if you don't collect it within five minutes, i'm eating it.

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01 May 2008, 8:10 pm

Danielismyname wrote:

It's easy to make fun of someone; harder to understand them.

GRANTED it came right after your thread and is almost certainly because of it, but don't feel too insulted. Was your handle even mentioned?

I guess I should feel like a hypocrite. I hold my ears with some noises, "overreact" sometimes, and even just stumbled over a simple statement, while 2 people stared at me, and ended up changing the statement. I was ridiculed for some of that. THEY didn't understand it, and most here DO! But I STILL have trouble understanding why one can't make a sandwich. I actually FIXED some of my toys, and made other toys from them. I learned to easily do some things I THOUGHT were VERY difficult.

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01 May 2008, 9:13 pm

LabPet wrote:

So....now that it's over, what did you have for lunch after all? Just wondering.....

I had soup, an apple, yogurt, and some wheat crackers.

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01 May 2008, 9:32 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:

GRANTED it came right after your thread and is almost certainly because of it, but don't feel too insulted. Was your handle even mentioned?

Anyone who sees both threads is going to make the connection, realistically. He was hardly subtle; he can play CYOA by not mentioning names, but it's still obvious. Obvious enough that even I, completely oblivious aspie that I am, picked up on it loud and clear.

In general:

There is a difference between being lazy (NH), and being incapable of performing a task that others may deem simple (Daniel). Why is it so difficult to understand that some people cannot do what others can? I assure you, egotistical humans love setting standards (you must be able to do this, because I can do it), but that's foolish and ultimately comes out to nothing. No one has to understand anything, but accepting things is at least a polite thing to do. If you can't comprehend it, fine; that happens. That doesn't give you the right to insult, doubt, and judge.

And for everyone who keeps saying that not being able to make a sandwich is somehow going to kill him, Daniel all ready said that he can eat without a sandwich. And I will make the stupid sandwich in question if it comes down to that.

NH: absolutely not. You obviously haven't even tried to understand, and your take is severely skewed.

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01 May 2008, 9:33 pm

Tequila wrote:

Why not pop out to the bakery and the butcher tomorrow morning and make up your own?

This must be a cultural difference between the United Kingdom and the United States. Over here, people rarely go to a special place called the bakery or butcher's shop when they want bread or meat; they go to a grocery store (supermarket). The loaves of bread were made in some large factory and all look almost exactly the same and won't go stale for weeks. The lunch meats are prepackaged with every slice looking almost exactly identical (except for random blotches of blood). There is a bakery department with fresh breads, bagels, muffins, and cakes; but these are generally thought to be for special occasions rather than day-to-day consumption. Likewise, the butcher's counter in the supermarket specializes in raw cuts of meat that you might need to request cut for some recipe you're preparing; precooked or cured lunch meats are over in the deli department.

Also, the concept of popping into a grocery store on the way to work is another fantasy for many Americans. Grocery stores are embedded in large parking lots laced with other storefronts; the roads and highways rapidly become congested with traffic as the morning rush reaches its zenith. People typically commute for 20-50 minutes each way or more in some areas.

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01 May 2008, 9:42 pm

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NH: absolutely not. You obviously haven't even tried to understand, and your take is severely skewed.

I have, but I have no frame of reference to compare it with. Making a sandwich requires only a bare minimum of planning and physical coordination. If the necessary ingredients are readily available, it's NOT an elaborate chore (unless one wishes to make it so). If a person can do the planning required to make posts to a forum and comment intelligently, they certainly have the cognitive wherewithal to put a few slices of lunch meat (or whatever it is they happen to like) between two slices of bread.

I consider things like purchasing the required ingredients, keeping them fresh and in stock, locating them in the house, making the sandwich look pretty and symmetrical, toasting it or doing some other fancy preparation, and cleaning up after preparing one's meal extraneous to the actual preparation of the sandwich.

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01 May 2008, 9:52 pm

NeantHumain wrote:

You're oversimplifying the task, but it doesn't matter. If you don't understand and apparently cannot, don't talk about it. You're passing judgment about something you don't know.

What may be easy for you can be impossible to someone else, and what someone else can do easily may be impossible for you. In fact, you're showing an example of that now. You can't understand, and he can't make a sandwich. However, he can understand, and you can make a sandwich. In fact, the original thread is a split between that; people who can understand why it's nigh impossible to complete that task and people who, like you, just don't get it. What's easy for one is hard for another.

He isn't like most of you, which I consider to be a good thing. That doesn't mean he's a worse person than most of you.

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01 May 2008, 9:53 pm

RainSong wrote:

2ukenkerl wrote:

GRANTED it came right after your thread and is almost certainly because of it, but don't feel too insulted. Was your handle even mentioned?

In our defense, it is NOT that we can't understand that someone can't make a sandwich. We CAN! Admittedly, on the most basic level, it is COMPLICATED! SERIOUSLY! It is just that using a computer seems to use almost EVERY needed skill, and the ability to eat and communicate seems to use every other skill. It is like someone saying they can't walk next door, but CAN walk to a place several doors past that and the walkways and doors are IDENTICAL. I could understand a person not being able to go nextdoor, but the understanding vanishes when you find they could do something SO similar, that takes more effort.

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01 May 2008, 9:57 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:

You're comparing apples and spaceships. Walking next door and walking several doors down is the same type of thing. Making a sandwich and using a computer to type are completely different things. There is no similarity in that.

There shouldn't be a reason to not understand one because of the other; the two tasks are not always mutually inclusive. And besides, even if you don't understand, you don't have to keep hounding on him about it. He can't do it, and that's all there is to; continuing to pester him about how "easy" it is and how "helpless" he must be (all of which is absolute nonsense) is completely unnecessary.

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01 May 2008, 10:34 pm

As I said in the other thread, it's easy to make eye contact, how come most people with AS cannot do such? You just kinda move your eyes (a simple task), you look at someone as they talk to you, and you look at them as you talk to them.

If someone has the cognitive ability to post a message, how come they cannot make eye contact (freely insert anything you wish concerning AS here)?

This is the same logic.

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01 May 2008, 10:37 pm

I'm out of groceries, so you'd have to wait. What'll it be, haggis and mutton on rye?... we have 'edibles' here almost as 'delicate' (don't ever eat cracklin's...

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01 May 2008, 10:38 pm

RainSong,

Frankly, I am not trying to push this, etc.... In an earlier message I spoke of how I my look like a hypocrite, and told of how others ridiculed me for problems nearly all of US have! We understand them, and they don't. I would like to see daniel do his best, etc... I am not trying to hurt him or anything of the sort. I never have. Then again, I guess YOUR failure to see that is akin to the failure you say I have to see the difference in what daniel is talking about.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. :wink:

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01 May 2008, 10:57 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:

Frankly, I am not trying to push this, etc....

You're not the only one that I've been speaking to; even if I quoted you, most of it was in general reply (I just tire of writing that out).

2ukenkerl wrote:

In an earlier message I spoke of how I my look like a hypocrite, and told of how others ridiculed me for problems nearly all of US have! We understand them, and they don't.

Yes; it seems to be human nature to be hypocritical. People aren't always going to understand; that happens, and it's part of life. But I don't understand why people cannot just accept instead of pushing the issue. You've been arguing with him about something that he can't change.

2ukenkerl wrote:

Then again, I guess YOUR failure to see that is akin to the failure you say I have to see the difference in what [D]aniel is talking about.

Could you rephrase that, please? I don't quite understand what you mean.

2ukenkerl wrote:

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. :wink:

Which is fine with me; I don't mind disagreeing with people, generally. I'm always going to defend Daniel though, if it comes down to that; there's no changing that.

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01 May 2008, 11:51 pm

RainSong wrote:

I'm always going to defend Daniel though, if it comes down to that; there's no changing that.

Thank you. But it's not needed, as you know.

If people wish to argue, they can contest my points, which no one has [as they cannot be contested]; I'd prefer it if people refrained from making fun of me, or anyone for that matter (unfortunately, people don't partake in my preference, from school to the 'net).

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