Girl won't date a Libertarian

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1) "Women love their standards, even if they do seem stupid."

2) ".... I still think it's really shallow."

3) "Who wants a puppet on their beck and call to simply regurgitate what they already think they know? Oh! That's right. Insecure people."




Anyhow, I don't agree with the notion of it being a social thing. I know I'm not thinking about what my friends think. I don't even have any close friends and my family's political views are quite different from my own.

I just don't want to come home from work to someone who calls me stupid, shallow, and insecure.

But who could do that to you, Gwenevyn?

Also, one has to keep in mind that political party and political stance aren't always related.

There are liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats.

(I am backing Obama myself).

Last edited by Tim_Tex on 28 Feb 2008, 11:40 am, edited 1 time in total.

You're taking it all out of context. Everyone thinks differently, so anything I said there could surely be applicable to someone's opinion.

And you're missing the point, I wasn't justifying some blatant jackass or the insecure partner who puts up with it.

Iuhno, quote time:


Having someone challenge you, isn't a bad thing.

Oh, plenty of people, if they feel passionately enough about something and we don't see eye to eye.

At the heart of this, for me, is a sense of aloneness versus a sense of companionship. I know I am capable of bonding on a deep level with people with whom I have major disagreements... but I don't want my partner to be yet another person who doesn't understand me. Perhaps in some ways that aspiration is a bit too idealistic, as ultimately every person is alone, but at the very least I want to be fighting on the same side as the man I love.

I tend not to form many strong political views, so I'm probably not the best example anyhow. There is a scant handful of issues on which I think agreement is important. Other than that, I just like to see a man who is more concerned with learning more about all sides of an issues than with taking a side. But hey, plenty of folks would call that weak and see it as "fence-sitting", so that can be a potential deal-breaker, too.



I don't see that it's out of context at all. Perhaps you could clarify just what group of people you were calling stupid, shallow, and insecure, if you were not referring to women who want partners who agree with them? I'm not trying to be a problem. I honestly don't see how it could be taken to mean anything else.




Do you believe that a smart girl who agrees with you on major issues is not going to challenge your intellect and make you see new sides of the topics you discuss? I suspect you do not believe that, but I could be wrong. If not, then why do you assume that those who wish to partner up with like-minded folks are not open to such growth?

Hmm, well, to start let's go with this:

I completely agree. My views have left me alone, no one seems to want them. I hate being alone, and while I may for a moment accept someone for such reasons, I want someone to understand me. Nothing else matters.


You'd have to be inside my head to understand I guess. The stupid, shallow and insecure are a group all of themselves to me. They're the kind of people who adopt an ideal, adhere to it vehemently, but they don't even really believe in it. It's just what will make them happy for the moment. They compromise themselves every chance they get, just because their too weak to think or act for themselves.



I'm all for being questioned, being challenged. I'm not a God yet, and even if I was I wouldn't be so petty as to assume I'm the great truth in the Universe. And as for people coupling with like minded ideals...that's all fine and well.

What I was expressing disdain for, is the weak and insecure who give themselves up to ideals or people that they don't truly have a love for. They've given up on themselves as a person, they only want to fit in. They're not even alive in my mind, but the manipulated detachment of something they sought after far too hard; Security.

Damn, I support abortion for need ....VERY strongly.

Sorry dear, but there's no chance for both us as a couple even if we are both poets .

I would have to say that political alignment can be a factor, especially if the two involved feel strongly about completely opposed viewpoints.

Take this one girl I know, for example. She is a strong conservative (although I didn't know that at first). After the US invaded Iraq, I adopted a strongly liberal position (since the media kept saying that if you didn't like Bush, you had to be a left-wing communist nutjob, and if there's any particular point I feel the strongest about, it's that Bush is too much of an idiot to run our country.) Anyway, we ended up in a heated argument about Bush, and for the first time in my life since I fell in love with her, I had actually broken my attraction...

In any case, as the war dragged on and more people on both sides of the US political spectrum started disliking Bush, I reverted back to my natural stance, that of a moderate. The last time I saw the aforementioned woman, I had found that the attraction to her had returned (she had mellowed out a bit too, and while she was still conservative, we were still able to set politics aside...)

Queue the 80's pr0n music!

I wish...

The main problem that has plagues us is that while we're both outgoing in normal day-to-day business, both of us are also rather timid at the romantic thing (or at the very least I am; she only seems to be timid around me)... so we've been beating around the bush for 6 years... fun...

Wow...6 years. At least your handling it well, I'd of gone crazy long ago. But still, maybe it's time to put fears aside and just go for it. I can't imagine how waiting any longer would be anything but a stalemate. Who cares if it doesn't end up becoming anything, I'm sure the closure alone will do you a load of good.

Well I was depressed for the first three years of it (becuase I made a half-assed attempt when I was 14, and got rejected with a "I'm not ready for this kind of thing, perhaps some other time")...

But because my attractions to women go in reverse (taking a month to actually develop, but then I'm stuck with them for life), I'm still in love with her after all these years... even the aforementioned political situation couldn't permanently kill it...

Hmm, I see. I know what you mean, it's hard for me to form bonds...but once they're there, they stay. I still hate myself for screwing up the chance with my first love, when I was 12. I don't know if it ever goes away...

But still. You need to do something, sink or swim, it's better than being in constant limbo.

People do have a strong need to identify with others. Every -ism offers a ready made group of adherents and explanations that we can claim membership in. It simplifies things for us, makes our lives easier, and is thus generally pragmatic.

I've wondered lately if we choose an -ism because we believe in its ideals, or rather because it's opposed to a group whose ideals we dislike. In the absence of true choice, would people still identify strongly with their group?

Now I've wandered away from the theme of this forum...

You've just voiced the deciding factor in this situation. It's a rare thing to find someone you love, and rarer still finding someone you love beyond initial infatuation. Don't procrastinate too long on this. More importantly, don't overthink it.

The only problem with that is that I used to be around her all the time, especially through high school... Now that we're both in college, I'm lucky if I get to see her more than twice a year (I do talk to her online alot, though...)