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28 Apr 2016, 9:23 am

That is horrible that you had to endure that. Too bad for the horse as he bonded to you. Animals thrive on love with affection from people like us that are patient.



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28 Apr 2016, 9:36 am

SkiBum....to top it all off...these were the people who were there to 'help' you. Did anybody recognize the irony in any of that?

That was horrible. They should be glad I wasn't there. When something like that hits me, I get real defensive and it just comes out.

"Why are you talking to me like that?"
"Like what?"
"You talked to me like an adult with no issues....now you talk to me like I changed in one instant."
"No I'm not..."
"Yes, you are. I am not stupid."
"No need to get upset. We know it's your 'disability'."
"WTF?!?!?!"

I've actually had that happen so, that was not hyperbole.

I know the tone. It goes from friendly to being managed. It's insulting and demeaning.

But, it is a b***h to be that way. I cannot tell you how many times I've been at a place working and people come up to me to ask directions or information or guidance.

One customer walked into a place I worked (service bureau for digital output), right past the boss and then straight to me and addressed me as the owner and such. Pissed him off but good. Especially since I am a jeans and flannel shirt kinda guy. I'm a lumberjack I am, I am....But, the boss was always in the imported suits.


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28 Apr 2016, 9:39 am

Reading through this and thinking about my biggest problem is that I have no idea what other people think and I never have. I do know that other people do not think like I do so I can assume nothing.

I got tired of being misinterpreted long ago and don’t show much of my own feelings to people anymore. I try to deal with others in a logical reasonable way and speak my though process out loud so that the other person knows what I’m doing and why. I don’t let anyone inside my head for long and I try to deal with my emotions internally. I find this creates less conflict between me and the world.


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28 Apr 2016, 9:42 am

It really was tragic. That horse was there for me during my uncle's passing from ALS. The day my uncle died I was with that horse. Actually the exact time that he died, the horse was in a lesson with a student riding him and I was watching from behind the arena half wall. As the horse passed me he, just for a moment, broke gait and slowed down and gave me one of those magnificent deep souled looks right in my eyes that horses are so wonderful at giving. You can't even imagine the love he sent me at that moment. It was amazing. And when I would show up at the place, he would perk up and watch me walk in from the parking lot and get all excited. And in between his classes we would stand together and lean on each other and just have silent bonding time. I know we both really miss each other terribly. It's such a shame how insensitive people who claim to be horse people and there to help the disabled can miss that sort of thing and create a situation that forces these kinds of bonds to be severed.


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28 Apr 2016, 9:45 am

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SkiBum....to top it all off...these were the people who were there to 'help' you. Did anybody recognize the irony in any of that?

That was horrible. They should be glad I wasn't there. When something like that hits me, I get real defensive and it just comes out.

"Why are you talking to me like that?"
"Like what?"
"You talked to me like an adult with no issues....now you talk to me like I changed in one instant."
"No I'm not..."
"Yes, you are. I am not stupid."
"No need to get upset. We know it's your 'disability'."
"WTF?!?!?!"

I've actually had that happen so, that was not hyperbole.

I know the tone. It goes from friendly to being managed. It's insulting and demeaning.

But, it is a b***h to be that way. I cannot tell you how many times I've been at a place working and people come up to me to ask directions or information or guidance.

One customer walked into a place I worked (service bureau for digital output), right past the boss and then straight to me and addressed me as the owner and such. Pissed him off but good. Especially since I am a jeans and flannel shirt kinda guy. I'm a lumberjack I am, I am....But, the boss was always in the imported suits.

Yeah, it really is infuriating.


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28 Apr 2016, 9:48 am

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Reading through this and thinking about my biggest problem is that I have no idea what other people think and I never have. I do know that other people do not think like I do so I can assume nothing.

I got tired of being misinterpreted long ago and don’t show much of my own feelings to people anymore. I try to deal with others in a logical reasonable way and speak my though process out loud so that the other person knows what I’m doing and why. I don’t let anyone inside my head for long and I try to deal with my emotions internally. I find this creates less conflict between me and the world.
It's amazing that you can do that. I always wear my heart and emotions on my sleeve. Even if I try, it's almost impossible for me to hide them. That is a good thing but it can be a dangerous thing because people will trample on them. But I guess it's just the way that I am. I have tried many times to not show them but no matter what I do they come out. But in a way that kind of toughened me up in a sense because I know that even if people do trample on my feelings it's not going to kill me. It hurts like all heck but it eventually hurts less in time.


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28 Apr 2016, 9:50 am

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It really was tragic. That horse was there for me during my uncle's passing from ALS. The day my uncle died I was with that horse. Actually the exact time that he died, the horse was in a lesson with a student riding him and I was watching from behind the arena half wall. As the horse passed me he, just for a moment, broke gait and slowed down and gave me one of those magnificent deep souled looks right in my eyes that horses are so wonderful at giving. You can't even imagine the love he sent me at that moment. It was amazing. And when I would show up at the place, he would perk up and watch me walk in from the parking lot and get all excited. And in between his classes we would stand together and lean on each other and just have silent bonding time. I know we both really miss each other terribly. It's such a shame how insensitive people who claim to be horse people and there to help the disabled can miss that sort of thing and create a situation that forces these kinds of bonds to be severed.
It's amazing what animals can pick up.

And, from what I read, Autistic people respond much better to animals than people. I have no understanding of the mechanism. Just the information. But it seems to be overwhelming in observation and evidence presented. We have a few here that live for their comfort pets. Their love is very strong and it's made a difference in their lives.

putzes...taking that away from you.


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28 Apr 2016, 9:52 am

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Even if I try, it's almost impossible for me to hide them. That is a good thing but it can be a dangerous thing because people will trample on them.
I always thought I was a stoic kinda guy until I was told I do that. So, my worries at this time is the amount of things going out of me that others pick up and, I never know what is going out as a nonverbal cue or just mixed messages or what.

I have to watch the TMI info dumps.


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28 Apr 2016, 9:56 am

I'm all over the place. I have the emotional maturity of a twelve year old, but the intellectual and knowledgeable maturity of someone much older. There are many things I am amazing at, but equally as many things that I struggle with. It's hard to find a balance.


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28 Apr 2016, 10:02 am

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This_Space_Intentionally_Left_Blank wrote:
Reading through this and thinking about my biggest problem is that I have no idea what other people think and I never have. I do know that other people do not think like I do so I can assume nothing.

I got tired of being misinterpreted long ago and don’t show much of my own feelings to people anymore. I try to deal with others in a logical reasonable way and speak my though process out loud so that the other person knows what I’m doing and why. I don’t let anyone inside my head for long and I try to deal with my emotions internally. I find this creates less conflict between me and the world.
It's amazing that you can do that. I always wear my heart and emotions on my sleeve. Even if I try, it's almost impossible for me to hide them. That is a good thing but it can be a dangerous thing because people will trample on them. But I guess it's just the way that I am. I have tried many times to not show them but no matter what I do they come out. But in a way that kind of toughened me up in a sense because I know that even if people do trample on my feelings it's not going to kill me. It hurts like all heck but it eventually hurts less in time.


That’s how I was for most of my life. If you ever get hurt bad enough or just get tired of being hurt frequently you will learn to internalize your emotions one way or another. At some point I also realized that my getting hurt for wearing my emotions on my sleeve was more my fault than anyone else's.


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28 Apr 2016, 10:04 am

^That's odd. I've been hurt plenty of times, but I'm still emotionally raw and childish. :heart:


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28 Apr 2016, 10:10 am

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^That's odd. I've been hurt plenty of times, but I'm still emotionally raw and childish. :heart:


Yeah me too, that’s why I hide that away inside. The majority of people don’t need to know that about me and would use it against me given the chance.


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28 Apr 2016, 10:11 am

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^That's odd. I've been hurt plenty of times, but I'm still emotionally raw and childish. :heart:
It may be an age thing. I know I feel what they're talking about. You just get so burned out masking and trying to do the right thing and then getting told things you do not understand because they contradict your inner image of yourself.

I know I'm burnt right now. And, I too got tired of internalizing everything. It just builds up. All that effort just takes it out of you.

Over time, it takes less and less to crack or break that mask.


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28 Apr 2016, 10:13 am

^Aww. Hugs for you, too. :heart:

I've come to realize that I hide my feelings so that people won't worry about me, but mainly when it comes to my depression cycles and school issues. Everything else comes out often instantaneously.


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28 Apr 2016, 10:16 am

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I'm all over the place. I have the emotional maturity of a twelve year old, but the intellectual and knowledgeable maturity of someone much older. There are many things I am amazing at, but equally as many things that I struggle with. It's hard to find a balance.
Yep, just like emotional maturity is very very young, it really is an Autism thing. That is why so many of us have that phenomenon. It has to do with how the Autistic brain develops in the womb. It happens in the second trimester of pregnancy. The neocortex grows too fast making the intellect higher, the Limbic system is underdeveloped, and cerebellum circuits are missing cell populations making us emotionally much younger. It is actually a physiological thing.


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28 Apr 2016, 10:21 am

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skibum wrote:
This_Space_Intentionally_Left_Blank wrote:
Reading through this and thinking about my biggest problem is that I have no idea what other people think and I never have. I do know that other people do not think like I do so I can assume nothing.

I got tired of being misinterpreted long ago and don’t show much of my own feelings to people anymore. I try to deal with others in a logical reasonable way and speak my though process out loud so that the other person knows what I’m doing and why. I don’t let anyone inside my head for long and I try to deal with my emotions internally. I find this creates less conflict between me and the world.
It's amazing that you can do that. I always wear my heart and emotions on my sleeve. Even if I try, it's almost impossible for me to hide them. That is a good thing but it can be a dangerous thing because people will trample on them. But I guess it's just the way that I am. I have tried many times to not show them but no matter what I do they come out. But in a way that kind of toughened me up in a sense because I know that even if people do trample on my feelings it's not going to kill me. It hurts like all heck but it eventually hurts less in time.


That’s how I was for most of my life. If you ever get hurt bad enough or just get tired of being hurt frequently you will learn to internalize your emotions one way or another. At some point I also realized that my getting hurt for wearing my emotions on my sleeve was more my fault than anyone else's.
I understand what you mean. I don't mind the hurt though. I am not afraid to hurt and I think of it as a natural and important process just like any other. I also love that fact that it is difficult for me to hide. I have problems trusting people who are not completely open and honest and I understand why people are guarded. I understand that the hurt can be too much for them. But since I am operating at such a young emotional age, it is very important for me to be able to have that level of trust. And letting people see who I really am helps them lower their guards and the people who are real and genuine and good and caring shine through. Those who are not and who only want to protect themselves and hurt others become obvious as well and I can avoid them.

And I am sure you are not out there to hurt others. But I do understand that you would choose to guard yourself and I respect that.


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