Do racial preferences make you a racist?

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I'm aware of the stereotype of the "SJW", but much like the trope of the "man-hating feminist", I feel it's more of an exaggerated invention by their opponents than an accurate reflection of that actual mentality and ideology. Like you said, there are different types ranging from moderates to extremists, but I dislike hearing "social justice" used as a derogatory term, because I feel it devalues social justice and political correctness when it can legitimately be applied. I know the type of people you're talking about, but since that type is so very rare and usually just demonstrated in stereotype, I'll willingly associate myself with the term.



I'm by no means an expert, but I feel there's a connection between the two. To me, objectifying something is inherently viewing it as somewhat inferior. If you're fetishizing someone solely for their race or a body part or whatever, you're doing so at the expense of acknowledging the rest of them; you don't see them as a person, only as the specific object of your desire. When race plays into that objectification, I would consider it a type of casual racism. There's a difference between someone who can be attracted to and form a genuine relationship with someone of another race (which has happened to me, BTW), and, for example, a white guy who just wants to have sex with a black woman just so he can have sex with a black woman.

lol, I like how you think. Although "white" and Caucasian aren't necessarily the same thing(usually but not always).

I think it would be more revealing if somebody posted that they are NOT interested in brown people, as that would be more likely to trigger people and label you racist. So, I'll go ahead and claim I definitely prefer white women (and asian), and I wouldn't consider black or Middle Eastern. Now, let's hear if that is racist or not.

I also disagree that liking specific features of women (like big breasts) is sexism. Fetishes also has nothing to do with sexism or any other *ism.

Fetishes aren't objectification, unless you objectify your fetish. There's nothing wrong with liking big breasts at all, it all ties into how you actually treat and respect a person. If you're only interested in a person for their breasts (i.e. sex), that's objectification. Treating any person as means solely for your sexual satisfaction is sexism.

Likewise, you can fetishize a race and ethnicity. Most "race" porn is heavily steeped in stereotypes, and in addition to the "Asian schoolgirl" trope, one simple Google search overloaded me with terms like "yellow fever" and even "oriental". Results for black girls show me "ghetto", "hood" and emphasis on big butts. Even Middle Eastern showed me "Harem whores" and (English) sex scenes with women clad only in hijabs. That stuff is racist, because it's reducing their ethnicity to a set of stereotypes as something "exotic" for people to gratify themselves to. When you look at persons of another race in that way, yes, it's sexist and racist objectification. Not necessarily racism in an extremist KKK kind of way, but a form of it nevertheless.

Everybody "objectifies" each other to a certain extent. And we "objectify" animals, too. And jewelry, etc. We are not immune from this. I "objectify" my wife, and my wife "objectifies" me.

It's when we "objectify," while at the same time making the subject of the"objectification" feel inferior, threatened, etc, that "objectification" becomes negative.

Caucasian, most likely, refers to the Indo-European peoples who are said to have originated around the Caucasus Mountain regions, then spread east into India and west into Europe.

Can't people keep their PC BS out of other people's sex lives? This is getting ridiculous. It really is.

There's a clear delineation between material objectification and sexual objectification. The way one objectifies a random woman strictly for the purposes of sex is hardly the same "objectification" between persons in a committed relationship. Sexual objectification has far greater potential consequences (harassment, rape, etc.) than simply wanting a piece of jewelry.

To that extent, I'm not claiming that simple arousal or even masturbation over a person fitting ones aesthetic preferences is inherently sexist; like I said, it's a matter of how one treats and respects a person. Treat someone like they're just a pair of boobs on legs and that's a problem. Treating anyone strictly as means for your sexual satisfaction is sexism, which, like you said, easily lends itself to those negative aspects.

No it does not! You like what you like! A racist is someone who sees another race as inferior. I highly doubt you feel that way about other races.

Great, then I cannot be accused of being sexist as I'm asexual.



I prefer fully-clothed women.

Like I said, masturbation is better to fully-clothed females, but I still don't get the above argument. If you are masturbating to somebody then you have no interaction, and treating and respecting becomes irrelevant.



Which means watching porn is sexism, as there is no interaction. I don't buy that argument. I don't think anybody thinks in terms of respect or "treating" when they watch porn. It's a one-way thing.

I'm actually somewhat confused why you would respond to this thread. No offense, but in a discussion about sexual lust, sexual objectification and sex itself, the opinion of the admitted asexual isn't given prioritized consideration. You're applying your perspective as a minority against the majority. Until 99.9% of all pornography doesn't depict graphic nudity and sexual intercourse as its primary erotic draw, your personal opinion of "masturbation is better to clothed women" is hardly an objective fact, especially in reference to a quote which has nothing to do with nudity whatsoever.



What's not a one-way thing is in actual human interaction, hence why I explicitly specified - and you quoted - my direct division between arousal/self-stimulation and actual sexual behavior. Maybe I didn't make it clear enough, but when I said "treating someone strictly as means for sexual gratification" - especially immediately following mention of harassment and rape as negative consequences of sexual objectification - I wasn't referring to watching pornography alone.

I think there is a need to educate people about neurodiverse asexuality. First, we are not a small minority in the autistic community, rather 10% of ND men and 20% of ND women definitely identifies as asexual (while many more are unsure). Also, asexuality is really a misnomer since what we primary dislike is sexual intercourse for fun, and thus the typical scenes in porn. We typically don't have a non-existent sex-drive, many masturbate and we certainly have a sexual orientation.

That's why I like to mention that in masturbation I really dislike porn, I can tolerate naked women, but I prefer clothed. I don't think this is totally unique for me in the autistic community. We need to get away from the stereotype that all sex is about is sexual intercourse, that relationships are all about sex, and that attraction only is about wanting to have sex with somebody. These generalization are not valid for the group that identifies as ND asexual. Not only that, but the sexual and attachment processes are fundamentally different, so assuming they are all the same is not even scientifically sound.

Given that, we also need to separate sex (a physical act) from romance (emotions and attachment). Since "treating" and "respecting" must fall within the romance realm, I don't see how sexism has anything to do with it as sex is not in the same realm as "treating" and "respecting". For instance, in one-night-stands there doesn't need to be anything else than raw sex, so if both parties agrees to that, I don't see how respect and treating comes into it.

I also don't see how rape and harassment comes in either. Rape is when somebody cannot take a "no", or doesn't even care if the other person is willing or not. That's just at the extreme end of raw sex. Harassment is mostly feminist junk that depends on if a girl likes a guy (no harassment) or not (harassment). We cannot forbid people to communicate their interest, and people cannot always know that somebody is not interested in advance.

I recognize asexuality as a valid sexual orientation, but it's entirely irrelevant in this particular conversation. I mean, yeah, I guess there's no harm in voicing your perspective as an asexual, but it didn't advance the discussion any: you directly responded to a paragraph whose sole purpose was criticizing pornography for utilizing racial/racist stereotypes with "I prefer fully-clothed women. " That's not just unrelated, it's a complete non-sequitur.

Rape is an extreme product of sexual objectification. Rapists don't love their victims, they see them as an immediate end to their sexual lust. Rape is pure misogyny (when done to a woman). Then again, the fact that you describe sexual harassment as "feminist junk" impeding people from "communicating their interest" raises quite a lot of questions about your own interpersonal behavior.

Generally it is not but it can be due to racism sometimes.

Some rule out a whole race from their dating pool due to racist feelings.

Like one East European girl told me once "You look of the Muslim race, I don't date Muslims!!".

The funny thing is that I am atheist.

I don't think so. Rape is a natural habit of many animals, including primates, so it more likely is part of our primate heritage. It doesn't make it right, but it certainly isn't the "product of sexual objectification".



So do many people that have one-night-stands. No difference other than consent.



I don't think animals will agree to that. From a male's POV, rape is potential reproduction, so that's why it is a trait that is hard to get rid of.



Perhaps, but it is feminist junk.

Hey, OP is back! First of all, thanks for your feedback, I have gotten a lot of opinions, some good, some bad etc. I just wanted to clear up some things. First of all, I don't dislike any particular race. There are good and bad people of all colours. I have friends of all backgrounds, and they are some of the nicest people I've ever met. I mentioned before that I have never been sexually attracted to a white guy. I would turn one down cuz I'm just not attracted to their looks, not cuz I hate them as a person or as a race of people. Unfortunately, brown guys have a bad rep at my school and if anyone found out about my preferences I would most likely get get a bad rep as well. Any white girl who even dares to be romantically interested in Middle Eastern/Indian guys would most likely get hated on. Sad but true.